From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PQng8-0006np-SW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:05:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FD3DE0B3E for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F8DE076E for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so3212036wyf.40 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:09:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y7azrvk/mEGUNoN6P88WRVGep1K9evjwApL7Y6iVJQM=; b=qsnLb/TePA/oSLeWZwpJXKvVXoUcZ86JDIDjW86Ouf3N13jj+qbJeSJI7oGZzr/Z2C nvyvcRS45Nx0oalqRMVEMLLSu0+l1GbLQGZ8FU0cb3KjDERUdmY6OqBnrWzuUKcw3yYh GKvWmxsURZzroXDaqAkSzc53p0n2dWTGgDSh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WezeLEAKhyOF/HKRPEvdE4tGqOHHvkxT+Ks1Vb15MJ5p9ej8sW4joODB6PdlLGEqe1 GIHsx+u6q7+yYOYTlwuHtq16Xyle9wVkAvBEsz0lQLuyAkksoQ/S2Mlnkuj4RilK40lh Q5KjBuI8viTfRCNyIgDcWosIpZDq1+ZigwIUU= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.136.20 with SMTP id p20mr10921941wbt.222.1291925377513; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.129 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 12:09:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20101209140138.aaa17006.frank.peters@comcast.net> References: <4CFFF5DE.20303@gmail.com> <20101208180344.eefa3254.frank.peters@comcast.net> <4D002218.9060302@gmail.com> <4D006923.8050609@gmail.com> <4D00A5ED.3070205@f_philipp.fastmail.net> <1463292034-1291895910-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1043132697-@b3.c1.bise7.blackberry> <20101209102755.48acfc7f.frank.peters@comcast.net> <20101209140138.aaa17006.frank.peters@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:09:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. From: Harry Holt To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e649b80433fb2c0496ffd15e X-Archives-Salt: 3e4a8083-9d0a-48d9-ba33-7552dcad46dd X-Archives-Hash: f1c38e061e65829bb8f6687131388239 --0016e649b80433fb2c0496ffd15e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Frank Peters wrote: > On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:04:50 +1100 > Lie Ryan wrote: > > > > > What's the advantage of LILO nowadays? I used grub because of two > > reasons: 1) I don't need to re-install the MBR when changing grub's > > .conf file and 2) I can edit configuration at boot time, useful when > > you messed up your grub.conf. Last time I checked (admittedly long > > time ago) LILO cannot do both of these. Granted, I've never used LILO, > > does it boot faster or runs on more platforms or is there any > > particular reason why you used it? > > > > For one thing, it is completely independent of the kernel and some > were expressing concerns about compatibility with 64-bit. > > Lilo is also simpler, but it is not as versatile as grub. > > My point is not that lilo is an advantage, but that it should not > be overlooked by those who may not require a complex set-up. > The trend seems to be to trash everything in favour of grub. > > The legacy boot method is being slowly eliminated and will be > replaced by EFI. For this there is elilo, which I hope to be > using. > > Frank Peters > > Yes, simplicity is why I have continued to stick with lilo (since 1995). It just always has worked. There's nothing more frustrating for me than trying to boot a machine and being presented with a grub > and having no clue what went wrong or where to go (although, yes, that's because of experience with lilo - and lack of it with grub). I did try to use grub for a time when it became popular, but after my first experience with it trying to recover from a failed boot I gave up. The main advantage to me - why I started using it - was that it plays well with the Windows loader. I don't do those kind of dual-boot machines anymore, but it was very convenient being able to recover a Windows boot manager - or install a new one - and all I had to do to get back to my Linux boot was edit the BOOT.INI file. ... HH --0016e649b80433fb2c0496ffd15e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Frank Pe= ters <fran= k.peters@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 04:04:50 +1100
Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

>
> What's the advantage of LILO nowadays? I used grub because of two<= br> > reasons: 1) I don't need to re-install the MBR when changing grub&= #39;s
> .conf file and 2) I can edit configuration at boot time, useful when > you messed up your grub.conf. Last time I checked (admittedly long
> time ago) LILO cannot do both of these. Granted, I've never used L= ILO,
> does it boot faster or runs on more platforms or is there any
> particular reason why you used it?
>

For one thing, it is completely independent of the kernel and some were expressing concerns about compatibility with 64-bit.

Lilo is also simpler, but it is not as versatile as grub.

My point is not that lilo is an advantage, but that it should not
be overlooked by those who may not require a complex set-up.
The trend seems to be to trash everything in favour of grub.

The legacy boot method is being slowly eliminated and will be
replaced by EFI. =A0For this there is elilo, which I hope to be
using.

Frank Peters


Yes, simplicity is why I have continued to st= ick with lilo (since 1995).=A0 It just always has worked.=A0 There's no= thing more frustrating for me than trying to boot a machine and being prese= nted with a

grub >

and having no clue what went wrong or where to go (al= though, yes, that's because of experience with lilo - and lack of it wi= th grub).=A0 I did try to use grub for a time when it became popular, but a= fter my first experience with it trying to recover from a failed boot I gav= e up.

The main advantage to me - why I started using it - was that it plays w= ell with the Windows loader.=A0 I don't do those kind of dual-boot mach= ines anymore, but it was very convenient being able to recover a Windows bo= ot manager - or install a new one - and all I had to do to get back to my L= inux boot was edit the BOOT.INI file.

... HH

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