[gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Mauro Maroni]

Hello list:

Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?
Are they stable? Anything else that I should consider?
Just wanted to hear about your experience :-)

Thanks,
Mauro

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 6. Februar 2007, Mauro Maroni wrote:
> Hello list:
>
> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
> What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?
> Are they stable? Anything else that I should consider?
> Just wanted to hear about your experience :-)
>

beryl works pretty well and with the beryl-manager you can switch between kwin 
and beryl whenever you want.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Dieter Ries]

Am Dienstag 06 Februar 2007 18:09 schrieb Mauro Maroni:
> Hello list:
Hi,

>
> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?

Yes!

> I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
> What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?

I am using Beryl and it's working quite well.

> Are they stable? Anything else that I should consider?

In my opinion Beryl is about 90% stable. I have some issues with switching 
from fullscreen DOS apps like TETRIS in dosbox back to KDE, sometimes i only 
get a black monitor and mouse, but no keyboard --> powerswitch-shutdown.

and Firefox sometimes opens an invisible window if you use Ctrl-N or 
something, just changing to another cube-side and then opening works.

> Just wanted to hear about your experience :-)

As I said, quite good. The snow thing of beryl is gr8!

>
> Thanks,
> Mauro
cu
Dieter

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Горлов М.В.]

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В сообщении от Вторник 06 февраля 2007 Mauro Maroni написал(a):
> Hello list:
> 
> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
> What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Mikko Husari]

Mauro Maroni wrote:
> Hello list:
>
> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
> What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?
> Are they stable? Anything else that I should consider?
> Just wanted to hear about your experience :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Mauro
>
>   
im running nvidiagl+beryl+kde, nice and easy :)
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Erik]

I have found Beryl to work very nicely.  Going to fullscreen apps like
Wolfenstein tend to make my screen blank with just a mouse.  I
generally just switch to kwin before I run apps like that and it works
fine.


On 2/6/07, Горлов М.В. <sheridan@stavcom.ru> wrote:
>


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[gentoo-amd64] Re: Compositing WM

[Duncan]

Mauro Maroni <mmaroni@fi.uba.ar> posted
200702061409.52494.mmaroni@fi.uba.ar, excerpted below, on  Tue, 06 Feb
2007 14:09:52 -0300:

> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> I would like to give it a try but I have some general questions:
> What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE user? Beryl? Compiz?
> Are they stable? Anything else that I should consider?
> Just wanted to hear about your experience :-)

I'm using kwin itself, which already has some decent compositing effects. 
I've been using mainly the transparent windowing features for quite some
time (the others, shadows did little for me, and I got tired of waiting
on the fading effects when I wanted to get stuff done, so I turned that
off). With xorg-7.1.1 and <kde-3.5.6 using EXA  rendering instead of XAA
(which was very slow with compositing turned on in 7.1.1), the transparent
windows weren't CPU intensive at all, even on my older Radeon 9200 running
dual 1600x1200 in merged framebuffer mode (stacked for 1600x2400). The
biggest problem I noticed was a bit of kompmgr/kwin memory leakage -- kept
under control with decently strict ulimit settings on virtual and resident
memory -- and a desktop copy of a script to killall -9 kwin; sleep 1;
kwin, thus reclaiming the leaked memory when things got slow because it
was running up against the resource limits I had set.

With xorg-7.2, EXA had some bugs (blank/missing pieces of windows and the
like, it's a known issue), but XAA is fast enough to be usable now, where
it wasn't really usable with composite before, at least here.  Thus, I
switched back to XAA.  The leaks seemed to be somewhat worse for a few
days, but kde-3.5.6 came out just days after xorg-7.2, with some major
memory leak fixes for those running composite, and indeed, it's /very/
stable now -- I've not had to use that kwin killer script at all since the
kde-3.5.6 upgrade.  I've been going to try EXA again and see if the newer
3.5.6 KDE fixes the bugs with it too, but I've not yet.

FWIW, my general window opacity settings are

Active: 93%
Inactive: 60%
Moving: 77%

I have the checkbox to treat "keep above" windows as active, checked.

Taking a look at the Beryl 2 previews, the spinning cube eye candy looks
nice, but I have a number of Window-Specific Settings that AFAIK need kwin
to work, so while I might try Beryl at some point, I expect I'll be back
to kwin when I actually want to get back to work, and will be waiting
patiently for a truly KDE integrated version in KDE4.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Mauro Maroni]

On Tuesday 06 February 2007 14:52, Erik wrote:
> I have found Beryl to work very nicely.  Going to fullscreen apps like
> Wolfenstein tend to make my screen blank with just a mouse.  I
> generally just switch to kwin before I run apps like that and it works
> fine.
>

Thanks everyone for the answers.
I will give it a try :-)

Regards,
Mauro
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Diacone Frost]

is anyone here using compositing WM and xinerama? I cannot
get it work.

thx.

-------------------- původní zpráva --------------------
Dne Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:09:52 -0300
Mauro Maroni <mmaroni@fi.uba.ar> napsal(a):

> Hello list:
> 
> Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> I would like to give it a try but I have some general
> questions: What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE
> user? Beryl? Compiz? Are they stable? Anything else that
> I should consider? Just wanted to hear about your
> experience :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Mauro
> 

-------------------- konec původní zprávy -------------

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compositing WM

[Harry Holt]

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I have tried it out.  Like Vista, it's very pretty and quite useless (to
me).  xinerama does not work at all.  It draws the panels on the 2nd screen,
but there does not seem to be a way to access it at all.  It appears that
Xgl simply does not support it.

I am using gnome, and have an ATI X1600.  The open source drivers do not
support this card, so if I want any kind of acceleration to work I have to
use the binary drivers.  This works fine, but again, no xinerama under Xgl.
I have not tried cloning the second screen - it would not really be useful
for me anyway.

Under beryl, often in many windows the screen does not refresh right away.
This appears to be some sort of bug where the rendering does not make it all
the way to the output buffer.  This exhibits by appearing to not respond to
an event at all.  If I try to move or update the window, the window is
refreshed.

I wouldn't really describe it as stable.

On 2/8/07, Diacone Frost <diacone@diacone.org> wrote:
>
> is anyone here using compositing WM and xinerama? I cannot
> get it work.
>
> thx.
>
> -------------------- původní zpráva --------------------
> Dne Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:09:52 -0300
> Mauro Maroni <mmaroni@fi.uba.ar> napsal(a):
>
> > Hello list:
> >
> > Is anyone here using a compositing window manager?
> > I would like to give it a try but I have some general
> > questions: What is the best option for a Nvidia + KDE
> > user? Beryl? Compiz? Are they stable? Anything else that
> > I should consider? Just wanted to hear about your
> > experience :-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mauro
> >
>
> -------------------- konec původní zprávy -------------
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