From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C12138A87 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93A54E0982; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lacerta.uberspace.de (lacerta.uberspace.de [95.143.172.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E728E097D for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17988 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2015 14:31:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO webmail.lacerta.uberspace.de) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Feb 2015 14:31:01 -0000 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:31:00 +0100 From: Michael Mattes To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Systemd migration: opinion and questions In-Reply-To: <20150224165111.5ea9426b119fa77084711875@comcast.net> References: <20150224211545.50495cc0@marcec.fritz.box> <20150224165111.5ea9426b119fa77084711875@comcast.net> Message-ID: <761f8e2d20f5ebc66a9274fc5ec6c9d2@lacerta.uberspace.de> X-Sender: gentoo@mm-no.de User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.0.5 X-Archives-Salt: 372629a4-4929-4ef6-90d3-1ea18b24d859 X-Archives-Hash: e4f6564e7af76ff36dbf486126e40acf Am 24.02.2015 22:51, schrieb Frank Peters: > > It requires about just as long (3 secs) on my desktop machine *without* > systemd by just using my custom bash init script (no sysvinit or openrc > either). > Furthermore, I use no SSD. > > But there's also no login required so it's probably even faster -- and > there's also no long list of permanently running daemons as well. > (After a boot, ps ax shows a very sparse process list.) > > For me, systemd is totally unnecessary, excessively burdensome, and > highly obfuscating to a complete control and understanding of my > system. > > To each his own. If you want/need it, fine. But don't expect me, > or everyone else, to slavishly follow. > > As has been more or less officially stated, systemd is an attempt to > provide a uniform and monolithic kernel-user space interface FOR THE > BENEFIT OF POTENTIAL (COMMERCIAL) SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS. RedHat wants > Linux to be just like MS Windows so that *they* (RedHat) can be just > like MS Windows. > > Let RedHat leave (fork) the Linux community and go their own separate > way. > > Maybe it's time to begin shifting a lot more attention to > Gentoo/FreeBSD. > > Frank Peters - ditto! - Very well spoken. Michael