Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>

>
> I usually remove all the acpi stuff anyway, which is why this message has
> been particularly puzzling.

well, yeah. Don't do that. As you can see from your error, something needs it.

ACPI is needed for a lot more stuff than only 'power managment'. There are 
even computers that won't boot without ACPI.


Hmm, well that's never been a problem before 2.6.21, and I've tried leaving the acpi stuff in and got the same error. And actually mine won't boot with acpi; I have to have acpi=off and noapic set in grub. IIRC, it's because I have an Nforce 5 chipset, but it's been almost a year since I had to deal with that so I could be wrong about that being the reason.



And please:
Dont Tofu
Reply to the message, not your original message.

A lot of people are using mail clients who can thread the messages. You are 
destroying that threads.


What are you talking about? I never reply to my own messages. Whatever is destroying your threads is not due to any action of mine.





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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Sonntag, 20. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>
>
> > I usually remove all the acpi stuff anyway, which is why this message has
> > been particularly puzzling.
>
> well, yeah. Don't do that. As you can see from your error, something needs
> it.
>
> ACPI is needed for a lot more stuff than only 'power managment'. There are
> even computers that won't boot without ACPI.
>
>
> Hmm, well that's never been a problem before 2.6.21, and I've tried leaving
> the acpi stuff in and got the same error. And actually mine won't boot with
> acpi; I have to have acpi=off and noapic set in grub. IIRC, it's because I
> have an Nforce 5 chipset, but it's been almost a year since I had to deal
> with that so I could be wrong about that being the reason.

ok, time to open some bugs. Seriously, if your board does not boot with ACPI, 
you should open bugs about it. And the problem you have when building kernels 
(so open two bugs).
I had a board that would not find its IDE-ports if not build with ACPI.. 


>
>
> And please:
> Dont Tofu
> Reply to the message, not your original message.
>
> A lot of people are using mail clients who can thread the messages. You are
> destroying that threads.
>
>
> What are you talking about? I never reply to my own messages. Whatever is
> destroying your threads is not due to any action of mine.

Well, in kmail, all your replys are to your own messages - and it is hard to 
tell what is quoted and what belongs to you - it is all the same.
Since you are the only one, where I have the problem, I blame your mail 
client ;)



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[david]

Here is a working kernel .config for a nforce 550. I have to use
acpi=off also. I left the acpi stuff in there though.
http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday 20 May 2007 20:49:35 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sonntag, 20. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
>
> > What are you talking about? I never reply to my own messages. Whatever
> > is destroying your threads is not due to any action of mine.
>
> Well, in kmail, all your replys are to your own messages - and it is hard
> to tell what is quoted and what belongs to you - it is all the same.
> Since you are the only one, where I have the problem, I blame your mail
> client ;)

I also have problems with Kmail on two other e-mail lists, in which the 
thread busting is far worse than here - sometimes the result is 
indistinguishable from chaos. I think the fault is in Kmail, as it only 
started happening with version 1.9.6.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 21. Mai 2007, Peter Humphrey wrote:

>
> I also have problems with Kmail on two other e-mail lists, in which the
> thread busting is far worse than here - sometimes the result is
> indistinguishable from chaos. I think the fault is in Kmail, as it only
> started happening with version 1.9.6.
>
I am on 7 lists. And on these 7 lists Peter's mails are the only ones which 
are problematic for me.....

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel --OT

[B. Nice]

On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 13:00 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Montag, 21. Mai 2007, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
> >
> > I also have problems with Kmail on two other e-mail lists, in which the
> > thread busting is far worse than here - sometimes the result is
> > indistinguishable from chaos. I think the fault is in Kmail, as it only
> > started happening with version 1.9.6.
> >
> I am on 7 lists. And on these 7 lists Peter's mails are the only ones which 
> are problematic for me.....
> 
The only broken thread I have is where Peter Hoff cut out the cruft and
posted his kernel config.  I'm not sure if that is what you're talking
about (Doesn't seem to be) or whether it's Evolution fixing the breaks
behind the scenes you are referring to.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Naga]

On Monday 21 May 2007 13.00.10 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Montag, 21. Mai 2007, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > I also have problems with Kmail on two other e-mail lists, in which the
> > thread busting is far worse than here - sometimes the result is
> > indistinguishable from chaos. I think the fault is in Kmail, as it only
> > started happening with version 1.9.6.

See below, KMail here as well and no problems at all in other lists/threads.

>
> I am on 7 lists. And on these 7 lists Peter's mails are the only ones which
> are problematic for me.....

Same here (different numbers ;)). It's that darn Yahoo webmail's html...
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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----- Original Message ----
From: Peter Humphrey <prh@gotadsl.co.uk>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:58:46 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

On Sunday 20 May 2007 20:49:35 Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sonntag, 20. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
>
> > What are you talking about? I never reply to my own messages. Whatever
> > is destroying your threads is not due to any action of mine.
>
> Well, in kmail, all your replys are to your own messages - and it is hard
> to tell what is quoted and what belongs to you - it is all the same.
> Since you are the only one, where I have the problem, I blame your mail
> client ;)

I also have problems with Kmail on two other e-mail lists, in which the 
thread busting is far worse than here - sometimes the result is 
indistinguishable from chaos. I think the fault is in Kmail, as it only 
started happening with version 1.9.6.

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Kmail never did threading properly for me. That was part of why I gave up on using local clients. Most of the time Yahoo's web client is fine, but clearly it's quite limited in some ways. Anyone know if gmail is any better? I hate to give up an email address that I've had for 7 years, but maybe it's worth it if I can get proper quote handling without html and the accesibility I require.





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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Alan Young]

On 5/21/07, Peter Hoff <petehoff@pacbell.net> wrote:
> I hate to give up an email address that I've had for 7 years, but maybe it's
> worth it if I can get proper quote handling without html and the
> accesibility I require.

If you're willing to pay for pop3 access to Yahoo's service you can
have gmail log in to your Yahoo account and pick up your email.  It
will reply to that account as well.

I think GMail's interface is much better than yahoo's, personally.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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I'll top-post for clarity, then. I do try to keep things plaintext as much as possible. In this message I tried using indenting as someone previously complained that it was difficult to tell which part was mine and which was what I was responding to. I won't do that again. The problem is that I use Yahoo's web client, and it gives me very little control over anything, but I'm kinda stuck with that as I typically must use several different computers throughout the day, and most of them aren't mine. I apologize for whatever problems that causes for you, but there really doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it. If anyone knows how to make the Yahoo web client handle quoting properly and not break threading, I'd appreciate them telling me. 


----- Original Message ----
From: Dustin J. Mitchell <dustin@v.igoro.us>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

Really, this is hard to read.  Part of the problem is HTML mail, coupled
with using HTML attributes for quoting that don't show up in text.  I'm
not which of htese paragraphs David wrote, and which somebody else wrote
(since there's no quote attribution either).

This isn't a Windows Vista Home Edition support forum.  Let's stick with
text in email, eh?

Dustin

On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:04:10PM -0700, Peter Hoff wrote:
>    ----- Original Message ----
>    From: david <abbottdavid@bellsouth.net>
>    To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
>    Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:21:17 PM
>    Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel
>    Here is a working kernel .config for a nforce 550. I have to use
>    acpi=off also. I left the acpi stuff in there though.
>    [1]http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config
>    Cool, thank you. I'll give it a try when I get home tomorrow. I notice
>    you have ac97 in there. Is the on board sound working now?
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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----- Original Message ----
From: david <abbottdavid@bellsouth.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:21:17 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

Here is a working kernel .config for a nforce 550. I have to use
acpi=off also. I left the acpi stuff in there though.
http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config





Cool, thank you. I'll give it a try when I get home tomorrow. I notice you have ac97 in there. Is the on board sound working now?


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Dustin J. Mitchell]

Really, this is hard to read.  Part of the problem is HTML mail, coupled
with using HTML attributes for quoting that don't show up in text.  I'm
not which of htese paragraphs David wrote, and which somebody else wrote
(since there's no quote attribution either).

This isn't a Windows Vista Home Edition support forum.  Let's stick with
text in email, eh?

Dustin

On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:04:10PM -0700, Peter Hoff wrote:
>    ----- Original Message ----
>    From: david <abbottdavid@bellsouth.net>
>    To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
>    Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:21:17 PM
>    Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel
>    Here is a working kernel .config for a nforce 550. I have to use
>    acpi=off also. I left the acpi stuff in there though.
>    [1]http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config
>    Cool, thank you. I'll give it a try when I get home tomorrow. I notice
>    you have ac97 in there. Is the on board sound working now?
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://abbottdavid.com/pictures/config
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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From: Wil Reichert <wil.reichert@gmail.com>

> By genkernel do you mean the gentoo kernel? I do. How do I switch to
> vanilla? If I'm going to do that I like to make it permanent.
genkernel is a program which automatically configures and builds a
kernel for you.  Its handy if you know nothing about the hardware you
are building a kernel for.  You'll do far better taking the 10 minutes
to look at lspci, lsusb, etc & manually configure via menuconfig.


Didn't even know it existed. I've always used menuconfig, even back when I was a Suse user.


Judging from the current gentoo-sources patch list there not really
much of a difference from the stock kernel.  To use the untouched
kernel.org sources just emerge vanilla-sources, then use 'eselect
kernel' to modify the /usr/src/linux symlink (or do it manually).


If I use eselect, will that set emerge to automatically use the switches to change my symlinks, etc, in the future like it does now with the gentoo kernel?





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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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By genkernel do you mean the gentoo kernel? I do. How do I switch to vanilla? If I'm going to do that I like to make it permanent.

I usually remove all the acpi stuff anyway, which is why this message has been particularly puzzling.


----- Original Message ----
From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:45:12 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

On Samstag, 19. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
> I haven't been able to build 2.6.21. I was hoping it was maybe just a "-0"
> release problem, but I'm getting the same error with -r1. Here it is:
>
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_generate_event':
> (.text+0x4325d): undefined reference to `event_is_open'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_get_power':
> (.text+0x43515): undefined reference to `acpi_power_get_inferred_state'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> (.text+0x4362b): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> (.text+0x4369d): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1


did you use genkernel?
If yes. Don't.

And don't built acpi-stuff modular.

If problem persists, use vanilla-sources. They do always work...

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Wil Reichert]

> By genkernel do you mean the gentoo kernel? I do. How do I switch to
> vanilla? If I'm going to do that I like to make it permanent.
genkernel is a program which automatically configures and builds a
kernel for you.  Its handy if you know nothing about the hardware you
are building a kernel for.  You'll do far better taking the 10 minutes
to look at lspci, lsusb, etc & manually configure via menuconfig.
Judging from the current gentoo-sources patch list there not really
much of a difference from the stock kernel.  To use the untouched
kernel.org sources just emerge vanilla-sources, then use 'eselect
kernel' to modify the /usr/src/linux symlink (or do it manually).

Wil

> I usually remove all the acpi stuff anyway, which is why this message has
> been particularly puzzling.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
> <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>
> To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:45:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel
>
> On Samstag, 19. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
> > I haven't been able to build 2.6.21. I was hoping it was maybe just a "-0"
> > release problem, but I'm getting the same error with -r1. Here it is:
> >
> > drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_generate_event':
> > (.text+0x4325d): undefined reference to `event_is_open'
> > drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_get_power':
> > (.text+0x43515): undefined reference to `acpi_power_get_inferred_state'
> > drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> > (.text+0x4362b): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> > drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> > (.text+0x4369d): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> > make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1
>
>
> did you use genkernel?
> If yes. Don't.
>
> And don't built acpi-stuff modular.
>
> If problem persists, use vanilla-sources. They do always work...
>
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Samstag, 19. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
> By genkernel do you mean the gentoo kernel? I do. How do I switch to
> vanilla? If I'm going to do that I like to make it permanent.

emerge vanilla-sources.
mount /boot
cd /usr/src/linux-$VERSION
make menuconfig

make all modules_install install

reboot.

or
emerge whateversourcesyouwant
rest like above.

>
> I usually remove all the acpi stuff anyway, which is why this message has
> been particularly puzzling.

well, yeah. Don't do that. As you can see from your error, something needs it.

ACPI is needed for a lot more stuff than only 'power managment'. There are 
even computers that won't boot without ACPI.

And please:
Dont Tofu
Reply to the message, not your original message.

A lot of people are using mail clients who can thread the messages. You are 
destroying that threads.
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[gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Peter Hoff]

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I haven't been able to build 2.6.21. I was hoping it was maybe just a "-0" release problem, but I'm getting the same error with -r1. Here it is:

drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_generate_event':
(.text+0x4325d): undefined reference to `event_is_open'
drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_get_power':
(.text+0x43515): undefined reference to `acpi_power_get_inferred_state'
drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
(.text+0x4362b): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
(.text+0x4369d): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Samstag, 19. Mai 2007, Peter Hoff wrote:
> I haven't been able to build 2.6.21. I was hoping it was maybe just a "-0"
> release problem, but I'm getting the same error with -r1. Here it is:
>
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_generate_event':
> (.text+0x4325d): undefined reference to `event_is_open'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_get_power':
> (.text+0x43515): undefined reference to `acpi_power_get_inferred_state'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> (.text+0x4362b): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> drivers/built-in.o: In function `acpi_bus_set_power':
> (.text+0x4369d): undefined reference to `acpi_power_transition'
> make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1


did you use genkernel?
If yes. Don't.

And don't built acpi-stuff modular.

If problem persists, use vanilla-sources. They do always work...

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel

[Drake Donahue]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter Hoff
To: gentoo-amd64
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Can't build kernel


>I haven't been able to build 2.6.21. I was hoping it was >maybe just a "-0" 
>release problem, but I'm getting the >same error with -r1. Here it is:

<snip>

FWIW 2.6.21 built here a couple weeks ago and is still running fine. May be 
equipment or configuration specific problem. 

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