From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-amd64+bounces-11906-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1MgdY5-0004hz-Md for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:53:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D8FBE0844; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.28]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED48BE0844 for <gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 48363 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Aug 2009 17:03:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1251392582; bh=yjUL0KmLfxXlaybjzan5KhypgP6wKShKKTBfXxGTnXA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RUxvmnyZtanySPRW6FPZRfmzahKW52Fer+3L5ErhBVLvNJyylbLXD5dcMIplI9NIer9j0qva2yCCcXuCwYMmwUyYnstkkCmYEYRBHIieC16S/ixmWv6cEOpk96LHj2yiuZa8xY8WoNDLv1a0VpTVzVnDWV8I/jz3lOkBmVFIpLM= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f8LMrouK+9Mwai7UYIxZVhOu8QlsqMyWMnLfeIn9lkIJKJKA+zMzJqBdm/UwkbwaSnuax6agH2U9hmiEtoWAiVBqGKobLSzWmL7eUdwutphw0oVAnccjMb7I/3dIDXmthN/RXWvxCTvviGVfT7GD0NrYUNQj/Ln7dIlaPjSCuFA=; Message-ID: <605782.48149.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qvu0UdgVM1nCKN1NeltKepZyCIlKe3ltQLC31c2L6eVJWAOi4FTDHXfmbN.7e_A5gQNa4Y4zb9VnNfEg1O9fU5LOMsccd4h7mjAH86XT_KkxB8ygptMeHKoma22XZQ9nj.qIOv8z9sp7EjK4ZUoRuG3kVk3.rv4rMqBxAuX398OQn4_wxw3F50M5rPfJHGyzsHQg9CZqbdB1e7NLUh_5NO4HbIl5cfkY3YsUahSkknNUdF5_w07jDtCvHWftkJXrrTUmfz6Yg1IcZ39f5NxpxsyLTJ6jSqanrS_VgHpecjjMgJBGRRhbGB_dMSZh6QqK7apy.GbXJow4J7.V5nfLs53ovsyoJthim6_PLD4FWJLYTA7UX5UdlNMEXOCNSDwRwQ-- Received: from [12.52.185.66] by web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:03:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <pan.2009.08.23.14.16.04@cox.net> <200908250133.23329.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <pan.2009.08.26.14.27.08@cox.net> <200908261813.52044.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <pan.2009.08.27.11.15.38@cox.net> <652883.3253.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <58965d8a0908270849g600521d9j41ac0d1b7ddf5c04@mail.gmail.com> <4A96AE68.6010601@darkmetatron.de> <58965d8a0908270927p6b7c6767x4d76655b31927b25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: BRM <bm_witness@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particularly kde3-ers, To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0908270927p6b7c6767x4d76655b31927b25@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-amd64.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9187fc7e-34da-4012-97ea-d8f4bd9ddc69 X-Archives-Hash: a899dd0bf4892359b265e784e5c46370 ----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail= .com>=0ATo: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org=0ASent: Thursday, August 27, 2009= 12:27:31 PM=0ASubject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Heads-up: KDEers: Particular= ly kde3-ers,=0A> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Sebastian=0A> Be=DFler<s= ebastian@darkmetatron.de> wrote:=0A> > Paul Hartman schrieb:=0A> >> On Thu,= Aug 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, BRM<bm_witness@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A> >>> Not ever= yone upgrades their video card every 6 months.=0A> >>> Most probably get a = video card upgrade only when they buy a new computer;=0A> >>> and most don'= t buy a new computer every other year either, probably more like 4 years or= so.=0A> >>=0A> >> You can get a GeForce 9600 for around USD$50, which come= s near the=0A> >> performance of the famously-expensive 8800 series (or at = least near=0A> >> enough for costing hundreds of dollars less), and has an = H.264 decoder=0A> >> so you can use vdpau with mplayer or mythtv to allow e= ven very slow=0A> >> computers to play high-res video smoothly.=0A> > Many = mainboards from that time only have AGP not PCI-E and to get a 9600=0A> > w= ith AGP is not easy or even possible, so that is not really a option.=0A> I= have an old Pentium 4 box which has a PCI-E video card. If a=0A> computer = is so old it doesn't even have PCI-E, its owner probably=0A> wouldn't expec= t 3D desktop effects to work so well in the first place.=0A> My old PII 266= MHz had an AGP 3dfx card. I wonder if KDE4 desktop=0A> effects would run we= ll on that? :)=0A=0ARemember, however, pretty much 100% of laptops cannot h= ave their video card replaced.=0AMy laptop has a built-in ATI card. Great l= ittle card, and I do hope that it will be able to do some effects - though,= as you said, I won't expect the world of it.=0A=0AThat said, about the onl= y thing that really prevents a lot of this is drivers. I'll update everythi= ng else, but I have to be able to use the hardware. That is one reason _why= _ I use Linux to start with.=0A=0AMost cards - even the ATI R250 in my lapt= op - can probably handle a lot of effects without much problem; but it's th= e access to the drivers that is the problem.=0A=0AI can't run the ATI binar= y drivers b/c ATI no longer supports the chipset; yet I _cannot_ upgrade th= e card - it's impossible - without throwing out an otherwise perfectly good= laptop.=0AFortunately the F/OSS drivers are good enough, and I hope they c= ontinue to stay around.=0A=0A> > And even if it is possible why trash a car= d that most of the time works=0A> > and needs only a fraction of the power = of a modern card?=0A> If your primary concern is power usage, you're probab= ly not going to=0A> use the desktop effects anyway. To improve performance,= which is what=0A> I thought we were talking about, you could get a better-= performing=0A> card.=0A=0AGraphically, I notice not difference between the = ATI R250 in my laptop and the nVidia 9600 in my AMD64 Desktop.=0AGranted, t= he 9600 could probably beat the pants off the R250 by the raw numbers; but = the general uses of the system make no difference between them.=0AThen agai= n, perhaps KDE4 will show something - but I doubt it.=0A=0AOf course, I wou= ldn't expect the nVidia RIVA128 in my PII 233 do be able to much if any eff= ects at all.=0A=0ABen=0A