From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MGxHL-0002iC-GR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:42:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B099EE04D3; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f207.google.com (mail-gx0-f207.google.com [209.85.217.207]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B4EE04D3 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so1579653gxk.10 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rjGmkRVKNbxIOw4nK/5vyeU7IazXYxmsRtRKIiEsWrg=; b=B2GnqfP6V1qOh0bqHKPsyy/ne4lFmP75uA6QVava46OqkV+TIAZBN3HgKRKNRHcW0o 0ej9UsLGGm8gekpQUWPzwowpKxfJ5fIJtw1em8kXcaTi3Kpkf103vyITVGCL+/JLhn0u oUbCCm+UlBRaKpIO9c+aBI5MYVCO89Hi3Y2iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I9Gbf/Ql0NkX1UCMIoBtsE9re6crBY882RsYUzqrNwkB6t91aS2oU3axU0wdm02AVH JpkP+fF0Pm7sqgiFrDuvdtqutv+hZypafgvBmzO37klkHm2jDq+S8VZaWVXPKfMHZZZm HXqrlzXEf1aGv7tQ9QCw/K6q53cmrHvq2wb9o= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.139.8 with SMTP id r8mr1454828ybn.117.1245253338919; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5bdc1c8b0906170553w3b73c15ehd1b8cacaaf52c7c4@mail.gmail.com> <225000070906170603r77c3034g4d4fdde76d3ee1bb@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0906170610v4dd03aa5jacd6bdf0b1c123fc@mail.gmail.com> <40bb8d3b0906170618g152b5f8fxc79889f0d6213bf6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0906170842n65d151aub87f500485a30e31@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How do I choose a second window manager? From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9bb59e89-3563-4a65-aee5-bfb8076520cc X-Archives-Hash: 1bb527280d7c90da5dc192af1ce9cce6 On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > Martin Herrman posted > 40bb8d3b0906170618g152b5f8fxc79889f0d6213bf6@mail.gmail.com, excerpted > below, on =C2=A0Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:18:24 +0200: > >> "The Xfce 4 Appfinder is part of the Xfce 4 Desktop Environment and >> features application search on the whole system. It searches for >> .desktop files based on the freedesktop spec and makes an index of the >> found apps." >> >> Source: xfce website: >> http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-appfinder >> >> Does Gentoo use these .desktop files? > > In general, yes, as it's a freedesktop.org standard now and both KDE and > GNOME use them too. =C2=A0However, whether individual (non-main-DE) apps > packages include them would depend on either upstream (if it ships, so > will Gentoo in most cases) or the the initiative of the individual Gentoo > package maintainer, if upstream doesn't ship one. > > On the title question, I've never used it, but based on what others have > said and the originally requested features (including an auto-managed > menu), I too would recommend XFCE. =C2=A0It seems to be /the/ middle grou= nd > between a "full feature" DE and a bare-bones WM, and gets very high > reviews in general. =C2=A0If I ever decide KDE's not for me any more, or > perhaps for my netbook when I get around to putting Gentoo on it, if I > don't like KDE's performance, I've always thought I'd try XFCE first. > > But on my main machine, at least kde3 has been great. =C2=A0I can't say t= he > same for kde4 (yet?), for a couple reasons. =C2=A0First, one of the big k= de4 > features is 3D eye candy... that my aging Radeon 9200 can't handle at the > 1920x2400 desktop size I run (it maxes at 2048 each, X and Y), and > without that, there really isn't enough better (and a lot changed enough > I'm not comfortable with it) to upgrade from kde3. =C2=A0Second, I've so > deeply customized kde3 to my own needs and style, and kde4 is so much > changed, that it's simply different enough that even with full 3D > features, it'd take me awhile to get kde4 setup similarly effectively/ > comfortably. > > So, I have both kde3/4 merged, and occasionally run 4 and mess around > some, but for actually doing anything productive, it's kde3 (or the text > console). =C2=A0Sometime later this year I plan to upgrade to, probably, = one > of the later r500 based Radeons (which run thru the x1950 models), and > meanwhile, kde-4.3.0 and likely 4.3.1 will be out, and we'll see how kde4 > does then. > > -- > Duncan - List replies preferred. =C2=A0 No HTML msgs. > "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- > and if you use the program, he is your master." =C2=A0Richard Stallman I suspect that XFCE might be a good one to look at. Thanks. Any thoughts from folks about fvwm? thanks to Marc for the pointer to fbpanel. I'll certainly take a look at th= at. cheers, Mark