From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NnKzt-00062Q-ES for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:02:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 134A8E0D54 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 00:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f53.google.com (mail-gw0-f53.google.com [74.125.83.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5493AE0B46 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so1348134gwj.40 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:23:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pe2LkOeYRqgNB0UOyP3SH8zINeolKsdFXM6cpWq3mFA=; b=iAZWEs/DADaRw7VMXiLXSBcdVu19Ylfdt8oUVs72eZE+esjhVlw/r2fjm1W4mf/Hf8 B+Qk/HPmdCF3aXwnxbfowqBXmr+RYBe90tKijcWpsRcvy7lKubGkr+uXSLv3KbMl1Z7P Kdgeq3dULmIzfzowgns6h2BFEyN7pMkA1Y23c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Da3jt1NcTz8MHQAZaIoFzTcv9l4t8R+o6woFSqTJjBIQ5y1bXv1p7purKUttE04clH jbAHWoS1oTnhY8bqxrayj5QMq+rC+Fbp3xj2DoudelGHxwo+KWFpEPTei93vhvmG10rA LKaSkcX4GLvBKULHscnRvDQ1yrXxxLegtz+ko= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.118.24 with SMTP id q24mr332414ybc.119.1267745033800; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:23:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b1003041423x2ac314e4t6c5519591720e344@mail.gmail.com> References: <5bdc1c8b1003041022m56127645xc0b7bed58fad20dd@mail.gmail.com> <58965d8a1003041113y475d133ag2071933278e55f4b@mail.gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b1003041423x2ac314e4t6c5519591720e344@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:23:53 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3436d80a57529fb3 Message-ID: <58965d8a1003041523q390c954bl6804bd041d3d2ede@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Where is '@system'? From: Paul Hartman To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: dc647631-ef98-43c7-b083-51c6cfbbe646 X-Archives-Hash: 1c2d2e92902af01176b9bc944c43ba3b On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Paul Hartman > wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> I would like emerge -epv @system to be a fairly contained set of >>> packages. (If possible like it was when I first built the system a >>> mere 5 weeks ago...) It seems out of control on my system these days >>> as it wants to emerge 242 packages. One major contributor is not using >>> a global -cups use flag in make.conf which would reduce it to 178. >>> That was added to figure out why Gnome didn't see Sups printers at >>> all. Sure, I would then have to turn on cups for certain packages but >>> that's OK with me. However I still see cairo, icedtea-bin, virtual >>> java stuff, alsa-libs, and a bunch of x11-proto files so it doesn't >>> feel like @system stuff to me >>> >>> 1) Where is the 'system' or '@system' specification on my machine? >>> >>> 2) If you folks run emerge -epv @system then how machine packages do you see? >> >> I believe it all depends on the profile you're using. If you're using >> a desktop profile maybe that's why it's calling in GUI toolkits and >> stuff... >> > > Thanks Paul. I hadn't thought of that and I think you're correct. I > played a bit with changing profiles and then looking at what emerge > -epv @system would or would not do. It's clearly related. > > In the end I wonder if this is a lost cause? If the packages I run > really require these flags then they are all going to get built the > same way. I'd prefer that @system was simple and that @world showed > how I had changed the system to meet my needs, but I'm not sure it's > worth the effort at this point to get there. Looking in the current desktop profile, it shows this: USE="a52 aac acpi alsa branding cairo cdr dbus dts dvd dvdr eds emboss encode evo fam firefox flac gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk hal jpeg kde ldap libnotify mad mikmod mng mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pdf png ppds qt3support qt4 quicktime sdl spell svg thunar tiff truetype vorbis win32codecs unicode usb X x264 xml xulrunner xv xvid" So support for things like gnome, gtk, kde and qt4 are there by default. I guess you could take the above list, put a - in front of the ones you don't think you want and put it in make.conf and see what happens. :)