From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17013838B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C437E09BA; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.nagafix.co.uk (mail.nagafix.co.uk [194.145.196.85]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38E6E09A9 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: antoine@nagafix.co.uk) by mail.nagafix.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 71F517F8C for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:17:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <54210254.6000901@nagafix.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:17:08 +0700 From: Antoine Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) References: <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> <20140923040750.GA30004@crud> In-Reply-To: <20140923040750.GA30004@crud> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 5c6e7e8f-d95f-4a46-a323-f1823b99de1a X-Archives-Hash: ff97d5ea8c0d7d1b582f69ab889823d7 On 23/09/14 11:07, Barry Schwartz wrote: > Antoine Martin skribis: >> Now for my anecdotal evidence, which may help explain my position on t= he >> subject: in 20 years of Linux, no other system level change has caused= >> me more time wasted than systemd (admitedly, the grub2 "upgrade" comes= >> close), this is both as a developer and as a user. > I had the advantage of setting up Grub 2 originally as part of an > Exherbo installation a few years ago, where one was encouraged to do > it in the simplest possible way. If you do it that way, it=E2=80=99s ac= tually > like Grub 1 except ever so slightly cleaner. I still do it that way. "Simple" and the large collection of scripts that is grub2 is not something I often hear in the same sentence ;) FWIW: the problem I hit during this particular upgrade was caused by grub2 being flat out incompatible with the disk geometry found on that system, when grub1 was not.. I believe this is the ticket for it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D737508 I really didn't have time to investigate this problem during the short planned downtime window. Thankfully, lilo came to the rescue. Choice is good! > If you do it like Ubuntu does, heaven help you. :) :) Antoine