From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D1313873B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0EFDE09C3; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaabid.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4FBE09BA for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F4EE207 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=libertytrek.org; h= message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= libertytrek.org; bh=QFnhxNiSmW1OSI538ze/3UCL9QQ=; b=L4mypf2GZaJ9 O6p1OSB5xTcw/wI32Fanr8k4vja9LtwWhqTHAsm26TXApKD9c435o4D6WNeqcOLE TpQ6wmu2RAD+kqLas9lmHK4VMaWaslQ3K7qJG6X7ac9CwuK6I5F5jFdYDTcpzGUC 2syutmG1pO331d5tgFQKJyyvdKaNnyU= Received: from [192.168.1.62] (unknown [159.63.145.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tanstaafl@libertytrek.org) by homiemail-a50.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7ED9E205 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:16:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5314B8C6.3040803@libertytrek.org> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:15:50 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 08e4674f-3ffa-4bb1-a74d-49cfe2a93041 X-Archives-Hash: 284557fcc6f848ba8145ac4584c69fbe On 3/2/2014 1:10 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > The big change in udev-210 is how persistent network device names are > implemented. The file that implements the rules is changing names, > which has an impact on your if you're trying to override it (your > override will no longer work if you don't change the name to follow > suit). Also, the new rule file now pulls in config settings from a > file that contains "systemd" in the filename. > The file contains systemd in the name because it is also used by > systemd for network settings. Well... !?@?#?$?% Here we go again. Talk about 'a driving force to subsume everything it touches'!? So, "we use some files, so we change the name of every file we use to have our name in it?" In other words... why stop at that one file? How much sense does *that* make? Seriously, that *really* irks me... I think I'll go and Prepend 'Charles-' to the name of every document I've ever created... can anyone say 'egotistical'? > Ok, just some definitions: > udev - the upstream project that you're familiar with - it has > recently merged with systemd, which has resulted in some changes that > some find objectionable (changes in install paths, incorporation of > systemd in file/path names, etc) This is I think the crux of the problem. Why did udev *merge* with systemd, if there is no long term goal of completely and totally subsuming it such that you cannot use udev without also using systemd? Imnsho, since it is a KERNEL thingie, it should have been maintained as a totally separate package, or just admit the long term goal and be done with it. > Udev is changing upstream - presumably because the new kernel features > are helpful in some way. I haven't read the details. Now I'd really, really, REALLY like to hear what Linus thinks about systemd/udev NOW. The only things I can find from him are 4 or so years old. I can't imagine that stuff like this doesn't irk him too... Would someone who stands a chance at getting a response out of him *please* ping him for an opinion on this stuff? Blog or LKML post would be fine...