From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PQlnh-0005CD-2T for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:05:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E023E0B05 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B599E065A for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so1937369vws.40 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=ppnJz5EysgCnDh2GiXNJa753rQ542YnRPdyEWABeyFk=; b=tmAoVXGP/nHXm5Mt6LBVkyv/V0232AY/3c3W9RPfhGzliBNo1q12NmSFdLujs74umz AAXJwNFK1E+++rTwTu4v8OFKonsBkocmqtty0OU+XdJ68XMUc1LSIQw1vM4Uxr8tcs4H DPzJ7u7HYzFJqiYDdx/PFtYM1bLG+3+1dts70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=eIHWFX6pHbCTUbbS1D+Apti5sIpvzoez5xSNJwoN3FbF8MiPDa9D4TNsNJcyryIviV klU1moaS5YckpLfTQv6qLoxfXCMrg6afbD66zkMq+BXAhcL+GJERkelJK4wK7OJ+FZz7 Shka8wxzpaw4Khgng8NlAVYQ6M77ka59L6Thc= Received: by 10.220.180.205 with SMTP id bv13mr2799706vcb.154.1291920003510; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-95-133-127.jan.bellsouth.net [98.95.133.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm544965vcf.26.2010.12.09.10.40.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:40:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D012280.4030906@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:40:00 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101109 Gentoo/2.0.10 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. References: <4CFFF5DE.20303@gmail.com> <4D001CFF.60502@gmail.com> <201012081913.19278.stsander@sblan.net> <4D006571.7040807@gmail.com> <20101209101920.fd3c138f.frank.peters@comcast.net> <4D0105C3.4010401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020508040402090700070509" X-Archives-Salt: 4ddafcf5-9b9f-4571-b3a3-6c9f0553abc3 X-Archives-Hash: 4f96594da2c1f35a4c61edb734b63a06 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020508040402090700070509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Holt wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale > wrote: > > Frank Peters wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC) > Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@cox.net > wrote: > > > > Stan Sander wrote: > > > In addition to using grub-static, you will need to > have the IA32 > Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't > be able to execute > grub at all. It's under file formats / Emulations > in the menu. > > I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's > still good, > just in case it would have been overlooked. FWIW when I > first switched to > no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried > turning off > that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I > think it was > lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's > definitely worth > remembering. > > > Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all. I have IA32 turned off > and I use > lilo to boot. There is no problem. > > Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably > use grub > because of the "follow the leader" syndrome. Lilo is still > quite effective > and also quite simple. Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have > not removed > lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just > compile it > myself. Continuous change is not a law of the universe. Some > methods > never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion > should never > be the final guide). > > Frank Peters > > > > No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub. I used > lilo first and for me, it was a nightmare. Fixing even a small > typo was painful for me. I switched to grub and the difference > was like flying the space shuttle or riding a tri-cycle. Let's > remove the computers from the space shuttle just to make it as > difficult. > > I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will > not compile on any rig I have. > > Dale > > > Good analogy. My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in > a tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere. > > Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful. > > > :-) :-) > > When lilo failed for me one time, I had to reinstall. I couldn't get anything to work. With grub, I just edit the boot line. If grub doesn't load, boot a CD, mount the partitions and chroot in to fix it. I have never had to do that with grub tho. I have no clue how to fix lilo tho. Some of this is because grub has "just worked" for me and lilo was a pain for me. Maybe it has changed, I don't know. I just remember how it was back then. Dale :-) :-) --------------020508040402090700070509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Holt wrote:

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
Frank Peters wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>  wrote:

 
   
Stan Sander wrote:
     
   
In addition to using grub-static, you will need to have the IA32
Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't be able to execute
grub at all.  It's under file formats / Emulations in the menu.
       
I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's still good,
just in case it would have been overlooked.  FWIW when I first switched to
no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried turning off
that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I think it was
lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's definitely worth
remembering.

   
Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all.  I have IA32 turned off and I use
lilo to boot.  There is no problem.

Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably use grub
because of the "follow the leader" syndrome.  Lilo is still quite effective
and also quite simple.  Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have not removed
lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just compile it
myself.  Continuous change is not a law of the universe.  Some methods
never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion should never
be the final guide).

Frank Peters

 

No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub.  I used lilo first and for me, it was a nightmare.  Fixing even a small typo was painful for me.  I switched to grub and the difference was like flying the space shuttle or riding a tri-cycle.  Let's remove the computers from the space shuttle just to make it as difficult.

I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will not compile on any rig I have.

Dale


Good analogy.  My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in a tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere. 

Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful.

 
:-)  :-)



When lilo failed for me one time, I had to reinstall.  I couldn't get anything to work.  With grub, I just edit the boot line.  If grub doesn't load, boot a CD, mount the partitions and chroot in to fix it.  I have never had to do that with grub tho.  I have no clue how to fix lilo tho. 

Some of this is because grub has "just worked" for me and lilo was a pain for me.  Maybe it has changed, I don't know.  I just remember how it was back then. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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