Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted.

[Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>]

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Harry Holt wrote:
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> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com 
> <mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     Frank Peters wrote:
>
>         On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 10:04:52 +0000 (UTC)
>         Duncan<1i5t5.duncan@cox.net <mailto:1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>>  wrote:
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>
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>                 Stan Sander wrote:
>
>
>                     In addition to using grub-static, you will need to
>                     have the IA32
>                     Emulation enabled in your kernel, else you won't
>                     be able to execute
>                     grub at all.  It's under file formats / Emulations
>                     in the menu.
>
>             I think that's covered in the handbook, now, but posting's
>             still good,
>             just in case it would have been overlooked.  FWIW when I
>             first switched to
>             no-multilib, before I did the 32-bit chroot thing, I tried
>             turning off
>             that option in the kernel... and found I couldn't run... I
>             think it was
>             lilo I was running at the time, properly, so it's
>             definitely worth
>             remembering.
>
>
>         Lilo doesn't need the kernel at all.  I have IA32 turned off
>         and I use
>         lilo to boot.  There is no problem.
>
>         Unless there is some special requirement, most people probably
>         use grub
>         because of the "follow the leader" syndrome.  Lilo is still
>         quite effective
>         and also quite simple.  Fortunately, the Gentoo overlords have
>         not removed
>         lilo from the portage tree, but if they ever do, I will just
>         compile it
>         myself.  Continuous change is not a law of the universe.  Some
>         methods
>         never become obsolete (out of fashion perhaps, but fashion
>         should never
>         be the final guide).
>
>         Frank Peters
>
>
>
>     No offense intended but I have used both lilo and grub.  I used
>     lilo first and for me, it was a nightmare.  Fixing even a small
>     typo was painful for me.  I switched to grub and the difference
>     was like flying the space shuttle or riding a tri-cycle.  Let's
>     remove the computers from the space shuttle just to make it as
>     difficult.
>
>     I may have to use lilo one day but grub will be long dead and will
>     not compile on any rig I have.
>
>     Dale
>
>
> Good analogy.  My issue with grub is that when it fails, I'm stuck in 
> a tin can in low earth orbit and likely to burn up in the atmosphere.
>
> Recovering from a fall off my tri-cycle is not nearly as painful.
>
>
>     :-)  :-)
>
>

When lilo failed for me one time, I had to reinstall.  I couldn't get 
anything to work.  With grub, I just edit the boot line.  If grub 
doesn't load, boot a CD, mount the partitions and chroot in to fix it.  
I have never had to do that with grub tho.  I have no clue how to fix 
lilo tho.

Some of this is because grub has "just worked" for me and lilo was a 
pain for me.  Maybe it has changed, I don't know.  I just remember how 
it was back then.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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