From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PQjyR-0003oy-QI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 17:08:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB59E09EA for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 17:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C56E0936 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so1798374vws.40 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:28:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KXHn9mCaFJLB7uaRn4dMId1GypCKFKiZ0ENLlfad3Zc=; b=V4YvzaStcZiWzsTW7O/XQdvuCuDjI2bVd2WXR9Gp356GfgTg/fTMqIPQZ0GLKKgQwB ZZiCujxBrZIKYgjUBl1mV0OxgLENevFndwVZEuT5KRv9AwkWyed0f/GRwK/6+ji8IaqM orCY44bIQtni0ntkkLPOLC8dNzluebeZaZQ5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bQsR1yUSlRN9KXzrOueJS91zSD+IOmtoGZtH22yau1zbdB5So/UScj2gAmV4YbOMj2 0oCiQsQEdgLNhgWSKxW0AjcR18Is80awFf9XbOB/3Cn4RiVCN2KAMhwa4hyLdhlOUg1a AMCt4U5Q84kJlZ78YciJGaiyDlUutRG8t4Cnc= Received: by 10.220.200.71 with SMTP id ev7mr2253799vcb.270.1291912122426; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-95-133-127.jan.bellsouth.net [98.95.133.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m14sm497093vch.30.2010.12.09.08.28.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Dec 2010 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D0103B7.70505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:28:39 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101109 Gentoo/2.0.10 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: About to install on a 64 bit system. Advice wanted. References: <4CFFF5DE.20303@gmail.com> <4D001CFF.60502@gmail.com> <201012081913.19278.stsander@sblan.net> <20101208235136.d6bce051.frank.peters@comcast.net> <4D0069ED.8010308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c053514a-3c57-41fb-9956-d7b6637c593e X-Archives-Hash: b4a7bce6d183fe3990d6c2fee26a1e9b Duncan wrote: > Dale posted on Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:32:29 -0600 as excerpted: > > >> I used lilo when I first started using Linux, Mandrake 9.1 days. When I >> started with Gentoo, I switched to grub. I can't even imagine being >> without grub. I know lilo has some strong points and is maintained but >> I still prefer grub. I also read that a new grub is in the pipe too. >> Supposed to be much better. That's the rumor anyway. >> > Grub is nice on local machines, due to the ability to use its interactive > shell. That can be quite useful when the config is screwed up for some > reason. On remote machines where the interactivity until booted is much > lower anyway, that doesn't matter so much (if at all) and lilo is as good, > possibly better. > > As for grub2... yes, it's in the pipe... as it has been for /years/. > Unfortunately, they did the same thing kde did and pulled support for > their current stable version LONG before the new version was stable, > leaving users between a rock and a hard place. Fortunately, grub is far > smaller and less complex than all of kde, and distributions were able to > step in and pick up the slack (yeah, free software, try doing that with > servantware when the original company abandons it), continuing to both > keep it building with new toolchains, and add new features like support > for ext4, etc. > > Unfortunately, last I knew, grub2 wasn't even officially on-disk-format- > stable yet, tho with ubuntu and etc already using it, it's getting more > difficult to change it, and they were /probably/ done with changes, but at > least last I knew, it wasn't official, yet. > > FWIW, there's a (masked) grub-2 in the tree, that I've been thinking about > playing with at some point, but I've not gotten to it. When I eventually > do, I'll know quite a bit more about it, but grub1 (0.97-rX) has continued > to work fine for me, so no rush. > > One would think people would learn from KDE that stopping support for one to favor the new one makes people . . . upset. I guess some people never learn tho. Dale :-) :-)