[gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[agtdino]

Hello, when I try to sync & update, I receive this message
.
.
.
[blocks B     ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (is blocking
x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1)

Actually I can run X with the nvidia-driver, don't want to update if I
loose the X graphics.

Than'ks & regards

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[Lorenzo Milesi]

On 9/12/07, agtdino <agtdino@teleline.es> wrote:

> [blocks B     ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (is blocking
> x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1)

Xorg 1.4 introduced ABI changes. No proprietary driver can actually
work with the latest xorg.

> Actually I can run X with the nvidia-driver, don't want to update if I
> loose the X graphics.

either you mask xorg 1.4 or in the meantime drop nvidia-drivers in
favor of xf86-video-nv.

Eventually you can even run startx with --ignore-ABI, but then you
should modify the xorg ebuild in order to allow nvidia-drivers :)

Ciao
maxxer
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Mittwoch, 12. September 2007, Lorenzo Milesi wrote:
> On 9/12/07, agtdino <agtdino@teleline.es> wrote:
> > [blocks B     ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (is blocking
> > x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1)
>
> Xorg 1.4 introduced ABI changes. No proprietary driver can actually
> work with the latest xorg.

yes they can, as you say yourself below.

>
> > Actually I can run X with the nvidia-driver, don't want to update if I
> > loose the X graphics.
>
> either you mask xorg 1.4 or in the meantime drop nvidia-drivers in
> favor of xf86-video-nv.

or you remove the blocker from the ebuilds.

>
> Eventually you can even run startx with --ignore-ABI, but then you
> should modify the xorg ebuild in order to allow nvidia-drivers :)

and build X without hal support. If you use kdm, edit kdmrc 
ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X -br  -ignoreABI

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[agtdino]

El mié, 12-09-2007 a las 23:34 +0200, Lorenzo Milesi escribió:

Thank you for your soon response,


To mask xorg 1.4 I tried  
 
echo "=x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1" >> /etc/portage/package.mask
And I received when I update

>Calculating world dependencies -
>!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-base/xorg-server-1.4" have
>been masked.
>!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>request:
>- x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask)
>
>For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man
>page or 
>refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>(dependency required by "x11-base/xorg-x11-7.3" [ebuild])
>!!! Problem resolving dependencies for x11-base/xorg-x11
>!!! Depgraph creation failed.

If I drop nvidia-drivers in favo of xf86.video.nv I loose DRI or render
capabilities ?

Thank's And regards

> On 9/12/07, agtdino <agtdino@teleline.es> wrote:
> 
> > [blocks B     ] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (is blocking
> > x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1)
> 
> Xorg 1.4 introduced ABI changes. No proprietary driver can actually
> work with the latest xorg.
> 
> > Actually I can run X with the nvidia-driver, don't want to update if I
> > loose the X graphics.
> 
> either you mask xorg 1.4 or in the meantime drop nvidia-drivers in
> favor of xf86-video-nv.
> 
> Eventually you can even run startx with --ignore-ABI, but then you
> should modify the xorg ebuild in order to allow nvidia-drivers :)
> 
> Ciao
> maxxer

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[Sebastian Redl]

agtdino wrote:
>> Calculating world dependencies -
>> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-base/xorg-server-1.4" have
>> been masked.
>> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
>> request:
>> - x11-base/xorg-server-1.4-r1 (masked by: package.mask)
>>
>> For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man
>> page or 
>> refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
>> (dependency required by "x11-base/xorg-x11-7.3" [ebuild])
>>     
So the dependency is required by x11-7.3, which is also experimental. (I
just updated to 7.2.) Mask that, too.

The nv driver does not provide 3d capabilities.

Sebastian Redl
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[Duncan]

Sebastian Redl <sebastian.redl@getdesigned.at> posted
46EE991D.1010201@getdesigned.at, excerpted below, on  Mon, 17 Sep 2007
17:11:25 +0200:

> So the dependency is required by x11-7.3, which is also experimental. (I
> just updated to 7.2.) Mask that, too.

[output reformatted a bit for posting]

$epkginfo xorg-server
Package: x11-base/xorg-server
Herd: x11
Maintainer: x11
Location: /p/x11-base/xorg-server

Keywords: xorg-server-1.2.0-r3:  mips

Keywords: xorg-server-1.3.0.0:  ppc ppc64
 alpha arm amd64 hppa x86 sparc ia64 sh

Keywords: xorg-server-1.4-r1:  ~arm ~hppa ~x86 ~amd64
 ~ppc ~sh ~x86-fbsd ~ia64 ~alpha ~sparc ~ppc64 ~mips


So xorg-server-1.3 is no longer experimental.

However, note that Gentoo (or more precisely, the several of the Gentoo 
projects in question including the Gentoo xorg folks) recently instituted 
a policy of no longer waiting on the developers of closed source modules 
to catch up, when the software is stable on open source module supported 
hardware.

IMO, it's about time.  Now those who are slowing down progress get to 
deal with some of the headaches they were causing everyone else.

So it's possible that newer stable versions won't work so well on 
hardware dependent on closed source modules, including NVidia and newer 
ATI Radeon (for now, AMD is releasing specs now, but it'll take a few 
months to work them into new drivers) video cards for those who want 3D 
support.  The legacy versions should remain in the tree for some time, 
and users dependent on them can mask newer versions as necessary.

> The nv driver does not provide 3d capabilities.

Unfortunately true, alto they are working on reverse engineering 3D 
support.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: nvidia-drivers is bloking xorg-server

[Sebastian Redl]

Duncan wrote:
> So xorg-server-1.3 is no longer experimental.
>   
You're right. My tree was a week old.
However, xorg-x11 7.3 still is ~amd64, and that's what I called
experimental.
>> The nv driver does not provide 3d capabilities.
>>     
>
> Unfortunately true, alto they are working on reverse engineering 3D 
> support.
>   
Yes, but that's the nouveau driver, not nv. I'm not sure if these will
ever get merged.

Sebastian Redl
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