From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I7uBv-0000fm-F4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:26:19 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l69EOSCY018459; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:24:28 GMT Received: from tranquility.mcc.ac.uk (tranquility.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.145]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l69EORKu018447 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:24:27 GMT Received: from gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk ([10.2.18.1]) by tranquility.mcc.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1I7uA7-000Pk9-00 for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:24:27 +0100 Received: from 77-96-164-200.cable.ubr08.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk ([77.96.164.200]:46851 helo=[192.168.1.100]) by gerhayn.mcc.ac.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1I7uA6-000HT7-Nr for gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:24:26 +0100 Message-ID: <46919C4F.8000109@manchester.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:24:15 +0100 From: Gavin Seddon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070620) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] References: <20070706020200.GC2252@ifa.hawaii.edu> <20070706022548.GE17654@v.igoro.us> <1183726925.24646.38.camel@ShadowAerie> <20070706152051.GA25052@v.igoro.us> In-Reply-To: <20070706152051.GA25052@v.igoro.us> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030006050605020504090704" X-Authenticated-Sender: Gavin Seddon from 77-96-164-200.cable.ubr08.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk ([192.168.1.100]) [77.96.164.200]:46851 X-Authenticated-From: Gavin.M.Seddon@manchester.ac.uk X-UoM: Scanned by the University Mail System. See http://www.itservices.manchester.ac.uk/email/filtering/information/ for details. X-Archives-Salt: 06115aa6-b05b-41ab-8bbc-fe3b13acd8c4 X-Archives-Hash: 4508fe3aae4773abf7ca65a8ed06b88f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030006050605020504090704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dustin J. Mitchell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:02:05AM -0400, B. Nice wrote: >>> I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to >>> make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list. It's not >>> exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo >>> has. >> Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation? I've > > Well, keep in mind that I run in what is probably a slightly different > circle -- server admins. > > Gentoo has a *lot* to recommend it technically for administering a > server -- fine-grained control, careful management of the upgrade path, > transparency, extensibility, etc. > > But the cultural shift is painful when folks like me try to interact > with the Gentoo user or developer community. I think I'm a fairly > technically adept person (hey, I passed the ebuild quiz), yet several of > my bugs have been blown off fairly rudely, by developers who had > obviously not read the entire bug. Of course, interactions on IRC are > even worse. > > The result is that I don't file bugs anymore -- I make a fixed local > copy of the ebuild and call it a day. Since I can't recommend that my > clients and employers do the same, I set them up with a RedHat-derived > base system and then hand-compile the necessary software on top of that. > > By way of comparison, problems I have had with specific pieces of > business-critical software (vs. with the distro) have been handled with > professionalism and dignity. > > Maybe the problem is that Gentoo devs are *too* accessible, and aren't > really given a choice in the matter. Does e.g., > https://bugzilla.novell.com/ see the same level of activity as Gentoo's? > I imagine that a lot of the grumpy devs would probably do well just > sitting in the background and coding. > > Those are my musings.. > > Dustin > > P.S. I should add that the amd64 group does not seem to share these > difficutlies -- this list is sometimes irreverent, but never insulting. Hi, I have opened this thread by accident, pls excuse if I'm butting in. I now have Gentoo running on alpha, x86, the laptop, amd64 and soon to be mips. I subscribe to all lists tho' I rarely post.. When I first started a few years ago coming from Debian, the users where very helpful but I to was intimidated with some kirt remarks. I think one should remember gentoo can be an intimidating system Gavin --------------030006050605020504090704 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="gavin.m.seddon.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="gavin.m.seddon.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Dr Gavin Seddon org:University of Manchester;Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences adr:;;Oxford road;Manchester;;M13 9PL;UK email;internet:gavin.m.seddon@manchester.ac.uk title:Dr Gavin Seddon tel;work:0161 702 9945 tel;cell:07710430455 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard --------------030006050605020504090704-- -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list