[gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Dieter Ries]

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hi,


currently i am running my gentoo on a 3000+ with 1g ram single channel.

now i want to upgrade, so i am going to wait until next week, see how prices 
develop. but i am not sure if i should stay with my 939 board with nforce4 or 
buy also a new am2 board.

are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how big 
is the difference between a amd64 with DDR Ram on 939 and amd64 with DDR2 on 
AM2?

cu
Dieter
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Fabrice Toppi]

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Hi,

I wouldn't go for a brand new AM2 platform, multiple tests show that Intel
Core 2 Duo is far superior than AMD everywhere.
If you really need to upgrade, choose the best CPU for socket or wait until
that Core 2 Duo.

br,
Fabrice

2006/7/23, Dieter Ries <clip2@gmx.de>:
>
> hi,
>
>
> currently i am running my gentoo on a 3000+ with 1g ram single channel.
>
> now i want to upgrade, so i am going to wait until next week, see how
> prices
> develop. but i am not sure if i should stay with my 939 board with nforce4
> or
> buy also a new am2 board.
>
> are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how
> big
> is the difference between a amd64 with DDR Ram on 939 and amd64 with DDR2
> on
> AM2?
>
> cu
> Dieter
> --
> Frank Castle is dead!
> Call me 'The PUNISHER'!
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Andreas Karlsson]

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On Sunday 23 July 2006 15:45, Dieter Ries wrote:
> now i want to upgrade, so i am going to wait until next week, see how
> prices develop. but i am not sure if i should stay with my 939 board with
> nforce4 or buy also a new am2 board.

I would guess a good move would be (if you have the budget) to upgrade to a 
am2 motherboard. DDR2 prices are not higher than DDR, and getting a PCI-E 
slot would make it future safe regarding graphics. Ofcurse that means 
investing in a new motherboard, new memory, a new graphics card (if you don't 
are at PCI-E already) and a new CPU. 
What CPU to pick... My recomendation would be whatever is most bang for the 
bucks after AMD's pricecuts. 

> are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how
> big is the difference between a amd64 with DDR Ram on 939 and amd64 with
> DDR2 on AM2?

I don´t have personal experience of any am2 chipsets, but my guess is that 
they right now don't differ much from the "old" 939 chipset, just slightly 
modyfied to support DDR2.
The difference between DDR and DDR2 are according to most test slight to none, 
but as speeds increase and latency is lowered things might change. 
Check out this (http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2741&p=1) anandtech 
article comparing DDR with DDR2 memory. A good read.

Best regards,
Andreas Karlsson
Sweden

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Brian Litzinger]

On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:45:03PM +0200, Dieter Ries wrote:
> hi,
> 
> 
> currently i am running my gentoo on a 3000+ with 1g ram single channel.
> 
> are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how big 

I setup two systems using the Abit KN9 SLI motherboards.

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&model=315

It is AM2 and DDR2.  I had an Athlon X2 4200 cpu.

At first I tried using 800MHz Cosair memory.  But the system would
not boot.  Just beeped the BIOS beep of death.

I read on some of the gaming forums that others were having troubles
with this motherboard and running memories at their top rated speed.

As it is a gaming MB every last detail is configurable in the
BIOS. Others had success fine tuning the DRAM parameters for
the particular memory they had.

Others suggested running the memory at one notch below maximum.

I.E. 800 -> 667, 667 -> 540, and so on.

This latter trick worked for me.

The gamers report the system is quite reliable and I found the same
thing with RAM speed downgrade.

An interesting problem with running the memory below rated is
   how do you get started?

The BIOS defaults to 'DRAM speed by SPD', so if your 800MHz memory
doesn't work you can't get into the BIOS to change the settings.

The solution there is have some slow memory laying around to
boot and set the CMOS.

There where also cases (I tried lots of different memory) where
some memories would boot at their rated maximum but would fail
memtest86.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Ronan Klyne]

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Also, due to AMD moving the memory controller onto the processor (and
many other subtle things), memory will sometimes behave differently on
intel systems...

	# r

Brian Litzinger wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:45:03PM +0200, Dieter Ries wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>>
>> currently i am running my gentoo on a 3000+ with 1g ram single channel.
>>
>> are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how big 
> 
> I setup two systems using the Abit KN9 SLI motherboards.
> 
> http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&model=315
> 
> It is AM2 and DDR2.  I had an Athlon X2 4200 cpu.
> 
> At first I tried using 800MHz Cosair memory.  But the system would
> not boot.  Just beeped the BIOS beep of death.
> 
> I read on some of the gaming forums that others were having troubles
> with this motherboard and running memories at their top rated speed.
> 
> As it is a gaming MB every last detail is configurable in the
> BIOS. Others had success fine tuning the DRAM parameters for
> the particular memory they had.
> 
> Others suggested running the memory at one notch below maximum.
> 
> I.E. 800 -> 667, 667 -> 540, and so on.
> 
> This latter trick worked for me.
> 
> The gamers report the system is quite reliable and I found the same
> thing with RAM speed downgrade.
> 
> An interesting problem with running the memory below rated is
>    how do you get started?
> 
> The BIOS defaults to 'DRAM speed by SPD', so if your 800MHz memory
> doesn't work you can't get into the BIOS to change the settings.
> 
> The solution there is have some slow memory laying around to
> boot and set the CMOS.
> 
> There where also cases (I tried lots of different memory) where
> some memories would boot at their rated maximum but would fail
> memtest86.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Chris Forsyth]

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Duncan]

Chris Forsyth <chris.forsyth@earthlink.net> posted
44C3BAF4.5080208@earthlink.net, excerpted below, on  Sun, 23 Jul 2006
13:07:48 -0500:

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> <head>
>   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>   <title></title>
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan
> of abit but they just issued a recall on the AN9 motherboards. <br>
> <br>

Please turn off the HTML when posting to this list.  It can be almost
unreadable, for those of us who consider HTML formatted mail or news a
security vulnerability and therefore choose not to use HTML aware clients.
(I never did figure out if your entire post was quote, or if you included
new content, due to the HTML scrambling.)



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] upgrade to 939 ~fx60 | am2 ~x2 5000+

[Daniel Huckstep]

Those motherboards got recalled.

I have an Asus M2N32-SLI Dlx and it's amazing (260CDN mind you). i would 
highly recommend anything from Asus's lineup

When I first setup this motherboard it didn't like my ram. i have to 
boot with one stick, install windows, flash bios, then throw second 
stick in.

As far as linux goes, i have gentoo-amd64 running with no horrible 
problems...one nic doesn't work right now, but working on fixing that, 
and you need the noapic flag for the kernel to get it to boot.

Daniel...

Brian Litzinger wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:45:03PM +0200, Dieter Ries wrote:
>   
>> hi,
>>
>>
>> currently i am running my gentoo on a 3000+ with 1g ram single channel.
>>
>> are there support problems with am2 chipsets? which mb's are the best? how big 
>>     
>
> I setup two systems using the Abit KN9 SLI motherboards.
>
> http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&model=315
>
> It is AM2 and DDR2.  I had an Athlon X2 4200 cpu.
>
> At first I tried using 800MHz Cosair memory.  But the system would
> not boot.  Just beeped the BIOS beep of death.
>
> I read on some of the gaming forums that others were having troubles
> with this motherboard and running memories at their top rated speed.
>
> As it is a gaming MB every last detail is configurable in the
> BIOS. Others had success fine tuning the DRAM parameters for
> the particular memory they had.
>
> Others suggested running the memory at one notch below maximum.
>
> I.E. 800 -> 667, 667 -> 540, and so on.
>
> This latter trick worked for me.
>
> The gamers report the system is quite reliable and I found the same
> thing with RAM speed downgrade.
>
> An interesting problem with running the memory below rated is
>    how do you get started?
>
> The BIOS defaults to 'DRAM speed by SPD', so if your 800MHz memory
> doesn't work you can't get into the BIOS to change the settings.
>
> The solution there is have some slow memory laying around to
> boot and set the CMOS.
>
> There where also cases (I tried lots of different memory) where
> some memories would boot at their rated maximum but would fail
> memtest86.
>
>   
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