From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-amd64+bounces-12274-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1NQ5Wq-0001nA-6U for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E3F2E0796; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com (mail-bw0-f215.google.com [209.85.218.215]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31DAE0796 for <gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so8537735bwz.26 for <gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:51:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xOQQU7ZqaXop0UuL/Bo0FrbfwJB08mRevH+7N6ZjhGE=; b=BvzEJhjEDD1iY5LVEqSGEZH6woid3DbIRTG1CLJW166HlxNnyD/b16wcWPSEpKzSos Aqky75/Alx4BPHJFqKVZXYluAcw4U8rUAh8J+6QCbI24xTqFXVxYLRrGyLOtDOx3/hjj XJ5b4T39KJUIQW53x+HjpfBnOqCY8jJAvS+Os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=W5IgdjORpyndzjXrGTzl/YGQdA1r8maIjYGlVD0oIIuLgWN23Zi/Om5fkH+ooYQ+0Z osXPGa6bwIAyYuQ3KNpVXCCSjOp6vXZ7+/BmRAoyBuuDRTM5lSbC6FIwE5YteN6x50Oi lWb4fMYkP1aFFXY4WxZiilKmB04WWzPizg87I= Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-amd64+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-amd64.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: martin.herrman@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.155.73 with SMTP id r9mr2625115bkw.14.1262206283238; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:51:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <pan.2009.12.29.05.30.45@cox.net> References: <40bb8d3b0912262345v5449b9b9p4db2ff8f1e894335@mail.gmail.com> <pan.2009.12.27.09.39.11@cox.net> <40bb8d3b0912281208s24f6ce1am24e94fb573f0db2f@mail.gmail.com> <pan.2009.12.29.05.30.45@cox.net> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:51:23 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ddb8ed2d92f04bc7 Message-ID: <40bb8d3b0912301251w3b7697b1va2625ddf3f57eee7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Updates other than the masked one From: Martin Herrman <martin@herrman.nl> To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: d944d6c3-63dc-45d5-8ab9-a7faed804b3c X-Archives-Hash: 4246a1a68a27f742aead18f7691d0f69 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote: > > Cool! =3D:^) > > You didn't mention whether you read the bug I linked or not, but it gives > the reason behind the addition. =A0Upstream kde is considering it "core" > now, and packages may begin to use any of the included runtime > functionality without warning. =A0There's already (Gentoo-specific) bugs > appearing that they're having to deal with, because Gentoo wasn't > requiring it and thus certain assumed present functionality was missing. > > As usual, individual Gentoo users can use package.provided to avoid > having to install some of the new packages if they only use individual > kde apps, but they do so in the knowledge that they are short-circuiting > a dependency mechanism and may be causing breakage to their own setup. > (One such example is amarok, which now requires certain kdebase-runtime > functionality for its lastfm support. =A0Apparently, that functionality w= as > broken for some users that used it, who filed bugs, with this being the > resolution.) Hi Duncan, actually, I had already read it before I wrote the original posting. I just didn't realise that I could 'safely' unmask the package (because I already had chosen to run the unstable KDE4.3 release). I like the concept of Gentoo, the power it gives to me, the safe bleeding-edge apps and the ease in which I can run my own custom build kernel. But on the other hand: I just need a working desktop and in 98% of the cases I don't want to dive into all the details to get things working. This seems to be a contradiction, I should have been an Ubuntu user, but that's not true :-D Now and then I apply some custom USE-flags, but I stick to the default install as much as I can so I'm not the one to discover bugs. Regards, Martin