From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF63138247 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 03:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E82A9E0B19; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 03:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.36]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 459AFE0B17 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 03:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0TP91p0052JGN3p01TPLub; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:23:20 +0000 Received: from ajax ([24.11.47.14]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0TPK1p00X0JMh7c01TPLSr; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 03:23:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:23:03 -0400 From: Frank Peters To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Message-Id: <20141007232303.7fb2ae68b5a5b4e520efeb80@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> <20141007204358.GA29518@crud> <543452F8.4010507@gmail.com> <20141007211907.GA31440@crud> <20141007211550.9c25a3ca13e7b989dfaec325@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1412738600; bh=aiuHDljOcbAN1LGNbc3SvjJ7TunEIcSeI2vfS/KMxsY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=lrrMV404NWYeSi4fyYRXjxKbRgKFrFFTSzy9lUfCfoJEm+ijyA+rb9uiYrJVfK5pm xbC6yA/4Fo/d/TX198M+DFt3S/Z9bH0gnyo31ES3Kpb1h56hcFfv3XBgowuhfrykt1 lL0COKEBWhiy4AmoaYwXywTeSqe0v0YHQvn+0EDF78cFnI02HG04/jEeAB31StY56K w3s9Bq5YgIRlW8oxOQAiBu3vR0ZluJyATMnUVQwWfQhAuHVgjmjbx+3zZH4ctNA3sZ dui/bjPF/wYd9kw6kRLebCiEwumYXcj5D4CO22DCOsfw02/rLBuGSM7nG/5KsI2vgM BaK6FVWXwRrzg== X-Archives-Salt: ac2d1664-4083-4c49-b22d-d9a45495c351 X-Archives-Hash: 907f34db2e7eb6408c527f102709c6e1 On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:28:58 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > > You're basically arguing that if somebody putting together an OS has a > working solution for something, they should spend just as much effort > maintaining 3 other solutions for that something ... > No. I am simply stating that some things do not belong within an OS as they are better for individual users to implement. Is file searching an integral part of an OS? For MS Windows it is. Should it be for Linux? I would hope not, but maybe the Freedesktop folks would not agree. There are many ways to search files, such as regular expressions using grep, sed, or perl, or utilizing special software devoted to the purpose. Why then would we demand that the OS include functionality for searching and indexing? The same can be said for my other example of color management. > > Nothing is preventing you from starting a "Foundation for Redundant > Solutions" > So, then, an OS which includes integral searching/indexing, CM, image viewers, video players, word processors, etc., in spite of already existing software devoted to those tasks, is not being redundant? My original point may have been misunderstood but I am still aware of a great divide between my conceptions and those of others. The GNU project and FSF were born in a time when people used computers and not vice versa, but that time seems to be fading fast. The motivating concept is now "user transparency" where everything just works without having to know why or how it works. I used to believe that GNU/Linux was immune to these trends but now I have my doubts.