From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF0E138247 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E21F9E0967; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3607DE0962 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0Liu1p0012Qkjl901Lk01r; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:44:00 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0Ljz1p0081GXozm01Ljzfh; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:44:00 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 992D91460E26; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:43:58 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Message-ID: <20141007204358.GA29518@crud> References: <20140923105558.eaed8b57d00ddd92818cec55@comcast.net> <20140924125822.d8e095ebc723398a31190a00@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1412714640; bh=tIMC4UojXkwUSuPjUFG1xw2d60D80BZxqs3cwGIyJ7s=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pe7HB1UcJZWd9Vzm6UkK2rKa+XoJ/ximk7CyeSb8ABNhlFNSUEgE7gQZcuTaCI1FV lIahblskbhr3iBN7A9TqjUV+kcCpOFUWclj+c/lZzO1e1TmmvQSqMjv2+oeXwqNGRh d/WluIOqPodcZyZZBo4sJtamX6nLXXgaTwaZcMVbs5zzZesDotIQPzpXCFSYsLKGdF UoixQcYS1GlFTA23+39L1eAtqXQbYF2A6ueiSABys+Z/Slv7wA+EhdxUvHXboV6gxS 41MqfHdDPkOWsvZ9V8eAR+O/6U+tW/JtKeLr+VE9yxiZIJIgg4uTwbc0V5IkE+xLrR df7uZX/nmV51Q== X-Archives-Salt: 8c66f9e1-9d03-4111-9853-f77538b99424 X-Archives-Hash: a78df94104256cbaeb4fcedd7f3361be Rich Freeman skribis: > I've been around > Gentoo long enough to see several cycles of people ragequitting over > this kind of nonsense, and fortunately some do return. Ragequitters do not matter for the projects we are talking about, even if they happen to matter for Gentoo (which I stipulate only for argument’s sake). Is not the goal supposed to be to get users who normally aren’t even discussing ‘Linux’? Certainly this is equivalent to the stated goals of the FSF. So then the question becomes: is systemd the way to achieve the goal, and, if not, why all the person-hours spent on it? We have very serious problems with effort-misdirection in free software. Would that one one-thousandth of the effort went into making fonts and typography work correctly on GNU systems.