From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D6513838B for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AFB2E08F3; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1CB6E0AE1 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uU4l1o0010SCNGk01U7svM; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:07:52 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uU7r1o0021GXozm3VU7rwz; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:07:51 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id CF30F146021E; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:07:50 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Message-ID: <20140923040750.GA30004@crud> References: <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5420EE55.1000301@nagafix.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411445272; bh=G+xoNux/tpUs4Px7d9aQPlX8mmj++sOAQrU1KyP44ss=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pe7e6R0AwnRrYiMQLO5/19N107IC6UgjnUxEOagE2tjFd7pwnRx6b/Wxgrbexo5xp tZoYiBzGbdmffRvYPTCSR4d1jkB0DP0n7bSCUR5nyDy9C6o+y8ybEelnzbSEykOYHm xqLMR0dzRBgyCKbpjMpGJ64g/n4tg3Hi6uFx2mMafaYA7d7tbK918K7NfXd7sIYDG5 1fTQcEAGvyXWPgkIki/eg5qmWmbzfZoIlzVt5YTrHocLRoLfFXR4UbsChVQ1a+MQ4F p8xsGMWM9BLZGxojNPZW/MgjEID+65F+8B7cEtXt1wnsf3YKWahrRcZxwV0CUnv6KE hEziCdEdlz9yA== X-Archives-Salt: 03e0b479-75f8-433b-8460-04999b9c7fe5 X-Archives-Hash: fc57dee408899d6c894073968d73f902 Antoine Martin skribis: > Now for my anecdotal evidence, which may help explain my position on the > subject: in 20 years of Linux, no other system level change has caused > me more time wasted than systemd (admitedly, the grub2 "upgrade" comes > close), this is both as a developer and as a user. I had the advantage of setting up Grub 2 originally as part of an Exherbo installation a few years ago, where one was encouraged to do it in the simplest possible way. If you do it that way, it’s actually like Grub 1 except ever so slightly cleaner. I still do it that way. If you do it like Ubuntu does, heaven help you. :)