From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E6413838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66466E0AF3; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8CF1E0AED for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.227]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uKPq1o0074ueUHc01KQg6q; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:24:40 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by resomta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uKQf1o00E1GXozm01KQg6n; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:24:40 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 1F61F146021E; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:24:39 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Message-ID: <20140922192438.GA27995@crud> References: <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> <20140922144114.3f89cd00fc13ce4a06515bce@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20140922144114.3f89cd00fc13ce4a06515bce@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411413880; bh=fWAcMk9ZYRPfaEoPRlrkyPDj4d1ooD2rSEN1MX0A8B4=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ht/RB4qcrMbsHeURfzomM0Vz3U3NJMiOBth31OVX2iINAegsO5kLpAUZXVCKcov+f R2YUfsU3kEsa+JoT1s92gzd5AEhL7n+nCPG7exWKgZA6DyvCIOxwkqPXiofY1734jg xJqUNOIBqhA4b5iAyM3AZm6JVO3G+nGnme5m0H5367hY7SyHEPU2dKBKcA7JQuwgvJ vqPQaBPYmlZjrAo3HPe8fsSz6g5ySKOTAHIgF+Kl349gpmH7KZxO44hO9fk1OjxJnD lATJe6HTR2DDNXapHv5kKD4bSLq3vgUUQzHsEZN+pi4tXClVfMWmUsGz9h18EJjF6W gtOg8QS93DLAw== X-Archives-Salt: 1dfe6f8d-ca45-4138-8857-398318c57bf8 X-Archives-Hash: d0a1f10b3b778b3d3682e49998f47a75 Frank Peters skribis: > > What I really fear, though, is what if one day the kernel team is a > > different entity, more like other entities in the Linux world? > > > > Someone has to write an apocalyptic novel about Linus Torvalds being > assassinated and his role taken over by the evil figures from ???. I’m simply concerned that one day he will retire. I myself have been ‘medically retired’ for over a decade; stuff happens. We cannot rely on the programming community to do the right thing. We are, for instance, sticking canaries on the stack while continuing to write crucial software like OpenSSL entirely in languages that _guarantee_ buffer overruns; and the programmer will continue to be blamed, instead of the practices. (Those who care may want to check out www.ats-lang.org for a practical alternative to C, suitable even for writing kernel modules.)