From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAD813838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB3E0E093D; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5375E0839 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uJbV1o0021swQuc59K908n; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:09:00 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uK8z1o00J1GXozm3bK8zeV; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:09:00 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 17F0F146021E; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:08:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:08:59 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Message-ID: <20140922190858.GA26097@crud> References: <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411412940; bh=G5g4htah4ZZbiEBmCmObP0AgKW4UyKga3vpSnO0T3kQ=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=koSO+vADhSOuRztcchnjekf9jN06o9EktHclVTnZJIylH1HX3UIo3pXcbR4O9CGAK EzwWxRineolkd+5EYhhRxCKB8rA91gohejD1/ZOFqTX+wgn9s2OIzxLDLdQUhiD/je HuN8cfdyj9uViyhmgQMwLL6PDAiuRcs/wU6zeMyvmivFfXSKIxslcgoOidBXHq2X7l dIDLb7v+LUZNG0MUK3hWTjoFt+GVPTNRQCLIirsJbSmLZvuSXE10C0A8L2TMsBdUcy QWH9B3aQqS9W3bZTGez/k5AVqH6ffjTAPBvpffjfIl+p0dsUCAaff3Kh9srZv6PIO2 b1H1tzbLZwAWQ== X-Archives-Salt: 46336800-b6a2-4d13-9515-2552ef9dd219 X-Archives-Hash: e2846ed43c5100c802dd17487a3fa73c Canek Peláez Valdés skribis: > As a professional programmer, I completely disagree with any dogma > based on "philosophy" rather than technical merits. False dilemma. I _am_ arguing on grounds of technical merit, and simply using the term ‘philosophy’ to refer to design. Authorities saying bad things about Unix means little to me; it certainly is not an argument in favor of bad software and hacks. Of course Unix is very old and very tired; but here we are not really talking about advances beyond that, which I think would look like such experimental systems as Plan 9 or GNU Hurd, not mere complicated hacks within the old framework, which is what systemd is. In this field the arguments go round and round, however, and never change. The ‘programming practices’ columns of all the software magazines are always the same article, pressed with a rubber stamp that was worn out already 30 years ago.