From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71AB13838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC74AE0992; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 316BAE08ED for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.235]) by resqmta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uHyW1o00454zqzk01HyoHe; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:48 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by resomta-po-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uHyn1o00E1GXozm01Hynqn; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:58:48 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 31F81146021E; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:58:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:58:46 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Message-ID: <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411408728; bh=Kdk9qRgffwMa3qrmcDyagGeZieyJkCrOu6HK9JlTS38=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JloyDwKQhdcDYzbheN0BCHhFFXTKwclyWZguakcg0U38b4v6NwHESNTg6NOyvWn8q GGBo1F48B0kdWhoIs96zIJlp2YbujT6BMnDR707qC8PuSVzT2r/rXeIvO5N0MklzF8 51uw31dyEjSJN2d2x8rtaMxx40E96W6F+s35niE2SLooj9P8EX21OTbomJ7fJRPAcB jar7EmKZOpzCa6/01McrCxuQHUPAbRD7r/SFhjTnNk9kPy7+MfZRDnIQRyKVJgd9rl gzVPb+9ZFHKma4oPZTLm1YfdIu01XpQqZ2w7q3Kw9gUv2OHjkz6eKreyMschXqNGjn KG519+Ai7wndA== X-Archives-Salt: cfe6a684-0c5c-4dd9-98d8-6e3bc11413df X-Archives-Hash: 939efab7aca06c9d9eaabd043192b7e3 Lie Ryan skribis: > Diversity isn't about feeding people who feels everything not-invented > here is godawful. When you have a clearly defined problem and you can > create a solution that satisfies that niche better than any other > solutions, that is diversity. ‘Diversity’ here is deviation from established Unix/POSIX philosophy in system design. Years of effort to simplify programming are being thrown away on grounds that resemble common arguments in favor of the ‘tight integration’ that is Microsoft Windows. I mean, seriously, many of the pro-systemd arguments are like those I have heard for using Windows: that applications ‘just work’, because they were written for a dominant system. But I view this like a programmer, not like a Windows user; I want my software to be portable because it is written portably (in a POSIX sense), not because it is written for a universally available particular POSIX variant. What I see is something like a return to the days when you had to write different code for variants of USG, BSD, and whatnot, except that now, unlike then, one of the variants is overwhelmingly dominant. What I really fear, though, is what if one day the kernel team is a different entity, more like other entities in the Linux world?