From: Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:30:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140922153022.b0f67e1f35974448d986205b@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc83+PJc_zfZ7csFOHu=HyCQ=PXR7TKp+SP__RejN1rdyTw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:22:28 -0500
Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As a professional programmer, I completely disagree with any dogma
> based on "philosophy" rather than technical merits.
>
> "So I think many of the "original ideals" of UNIX are these days more
> of a mindset issue than necessarily reflecting reality of the
> situation.
>
That's not the issue here at all. The issue is the possible
hegemony being imposed by systemd. Whether or not this is true
this issue at least deserves some attention.
Regarding the "Unix philosophy," I doubt that anyone still considers
that a "pipeline of simple tools" is the ideal approach. Software
has assumed gigantic proportions (to match hardware capabilities) of
late and that traditional Unix model certainly would never fit.
But not all software is gigantic. I would venture a guess that
a large majority of programs are simple one-off concoctions designed
to meet some simple individual need. In these cases it sure is nice
to have the standard Unix tools available. I use them frequently
for various simple purposes.
Regarding the booting and configuring of a Linux system, the job can be
either very complex or very simple. For the simple case, is there
technical merit in having to use systemd? I would claim that there
is not. For complex scenarios, by all means utilize systemd.
But let's keep the appropriate tools available for the appropriate job.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-22 19:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-21 17:25 [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Frank Peters
2014-09-21 17:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 18:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 19:15 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:20 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:33 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 21:13 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 22:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 22:15 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-21 22:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 5:27 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 0:26 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 0:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 2:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 2:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 6:00 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 12:47 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 16:14 ` Duncan
2014-09-23 14:55 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-24 11:25 ` Duncan
2014-09-24 16:58 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-25 4:12 ` Duncan
2014-09-25 11:34 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:18 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:55 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 17:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-07 20:43 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 20:54 ` Damien Levac
2014-10-07 21:19 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 21:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 1:15 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 2:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 3:19 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-08 12:34 ` Phil Turmel
2014-10-08 18:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 21:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-08 3:23 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 13:23 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:00 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:21 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Duncan
2014-09-22 17:04 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 17:58 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 18:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:08 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:30 ` Frank Peters [this message]
2014-09-22 19:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 19:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:54 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:08 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 3:51 ` Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 4:07 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:17 ` [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 5:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:29 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-23 4:09 ` [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:32 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 4:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:49 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-23 6:05 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 6:31 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:28 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 17:11 ` Paul Jewell
2014-09-23 23:31 ` Systemd is really beside the point, anyway (was Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd) Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:45 ` [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Duncan
2014-09-22 18:41 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:07 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 20:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:24 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 18:07 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:11 ` Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 16:35 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:55 ` Frank Peters
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