From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD82A13838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D76D5E0ABE; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33309E0A92 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uJdj1o0031HzFnQ01JhLML; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:41:20 +0000 Received: from ajax ([24.11.47.14]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uJhK1o00c0JMh7c3aJhLf4; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:41:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 14:41:14 -0400 From: Frank Peters To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Message-Id: <20140922144114.3f89cd00fc13ce4a06515bce@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140922175846.GA22399@crud> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411411280; bh=vC1z73veeQE6W9BnPdVJ0QZEdSj+Vl2sjpIEsweAwiE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=TD4WNZQ+VQfQGCyKzCuks5USipgdW1aeQviT4Wh5NkENjxFTX1G8ws4LOpW7RwbmU 3rYj2wzSU4FiOgr7+5Hrid853X4S0AC1HjVbmRCDUH4DVChm0Bt3EJF37bAHG4O8LN oIG3OgTdseRyaLwFDd8z2E9qwcus5Dy5NcITslnXnhpHTM2lvfQ9LdehbnOOz5nm9E hmx3qewwN6m1GV8txQYimTLMYJthDhg7s34jDgDqzSOMyp9HJSBI+5DKvBmSsX090a Hf/mv3opD1lc0XtNpQkg2LJIpFHpTpNK12rFmbTL/8vqRwNGsc8QsQt6pcP/u0FhMN Hh8n1Qeqf+DOw== X-Archives-Salt: 734f5b4d-6e45-4a32-824d-15d9b3de9d1b X-Archives-Hash: c246b5e27e8f7ed7f0bd99022e86d543 On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:58:46 -0500 Barry Schwartz wrote: > > ‘Diversity’ here is deviation from established Unix/POSIX philosophy > in system design. Years of effort to simplify programming are being > thrown away on grounds that resemble common arguments in favor of the > ‘tight integration’ that is Microsoft Windows. I mean, seriously, many > of the pro-systemd arguments are like those I have heard for using > Windows: that applications ‘just work’, because they were written for > a dominant system. > Good design is highly flexible and configurable with little assumption made on the nature or needs of the user. Let's consider a simple program to display digital images. A good program design will not only contain built-in routines to accommodate the standard image formats but will also provide non-specific raster buffers to allow a user to view unconventional or even non-existent formats. A good program design will also make no assumptions about the nature of the image data but rather allow the user to create any needed specifications. A professional program thus allows both standard conventions but keeps the overall capability unrestricted and open ended. As best as I can understand (I am not an expert in systems programming) under Torvalds the Linux OS conforms to such professional design goals. > > What I really fear, though, is what if one day the kernel team is a > different entity, more like other entities in the Linux world? > Someone has to write an apocalyptic novel about Linus Torvalds being assassinated and his role taken over by the evil figures from ???.