From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ACB13838B for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F626E0A10; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02314E09CF for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uH0l1o0034vw8ds01H0nio; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:00:47 +0000 Received: from ajax ([24.11.47.14]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id uH0m1o00B0JMh7c01H0m6K; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:00:47 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:00:40 -0400 From: Frank Peters To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Message-Id: <20140922130040.24a716e4460434fd0516cc77@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20140921132548.d4ad54724473a2aeee688daa@comcast.net> <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> <20140921192043.GA9652@crud> <20140921171301.5f008b3bd12c21c2f8fdd67e@comcast.net> <20140921202600.08d082d88014228172007477@comcast.net> <20140921220253.29b05782092a062c7148cbed@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1411405247; bh=NfGz1iTmyPNSo2GQTlOA9IUNMWpbJCxjeYLHDkMJuao=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=VguqinklTWjIH0APJ5VOdyCeh9OFMQKvX4XgLd0zZT8ida7Wm1VTMVAyLNwSV8KA0 Y69MJAXbAbL1c8AhIXv+Ut/u+q4hjU2QKfxD8skEO72M9qZxagQ7wnEsP2VBQJTzxW gnoKU1QnchDO9gV3FoYPmJc6IdbgLk+7eCxFEVyxwq1OufVR3NXRsVaKnqoqPFdrsb tDjFrz9JCJz97lLgf9yBECu11FBqqqC8m+6lQvXxKmU1UvtW/ZvMVzWNXnmnuefcH5 mzSNsDGhlYAdx60BF8/e18i2exFX6dAUcd/9SKm1obIBdzeftc/9QhQZiDkxyFSwWq apHnWb+YbFh1Q== X-Archives-Salt: d3e59fd3-2459-4ef2-9fad-d89ed2fd0cb2 X-Archives-Hash: b8957abf15edee82a2911d8f90389cae On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:47:30 -0400 Harry Holt wrote: > > Here's another take from Christopher Barry, in a mailing list post from > just last month: > > systemd is a coup. It is a subversive interloper designed to destroy > Linux as we know it, foisted upon us by the snarky > we-know-better-than-you CamelCase crowd ... > Thanks for this. It's good to hear others rant against systemd. However, as has already been indicated in this thread, complaining and ranting are not enough. There have to be developers stepping forward with alternatives. If Sievers, et. al. are the only ones willing to push an agenda then they, and systemd, will rule. I recall my earlier experiences with Linux and CD-RAM. The Linux drivers to access CD-RAM, controlled by certain folks as SuSe, were poorly written and functioned terribly. But since no one else came forward with alternatives (everyone just bitched on the forums) the sub-optimal code was kept and, for all I know, is still present. Of course, it's not that easy for someone to just jump into systems programming without an extensive background. Still, one can keep hoping for more forks and more differing distributions but it seems that Linux is destined to become highly monolithic in the future.