From: Frank Peters <frank.peters@comcast.net>
To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:30:59 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140921143059.c3c16dfdeab6f65280b7caa6@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADPrc82709OCezzytzZQvrZrQjD_zG1ke7SQA2jzfkrw=2kOKQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:37:58 -0500
Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This last part is important; if you don't like systemd, bitching about
> it will do nothing: you have to use and contribute to the
> alternatives. Linux (and Gentoo) are about choice, as long as there is
> someone willing and able to provide that choice; no one will
> (necessarily) provide that choice for you out of nothing.
>
The kind of choice I am speaking about is the choice of "rolling
your own." I want to be able to control and customize my system
in a way that I deem fit. The kernel, after it loads and does its
initialization thing, passes control onto an arbitrary program for
further configuration. This simple design allows extreme versatility
and customization for those who want it while also permitting more
complex schemes as well.
In this case, there is no contribution to be made. There can only
be a rant about leaving things the way they are.
How do you feel about the accuracy of the following statements which
are taken from a related web page at http://uselessd.darknedgy.net ?
"Most core Linux applications and even the kernel are developed by
a handful of companies, largely by Red Hat (who inherited much of the
work on GNU after acquiring Cygnus Solutions, thus also leading GNOME
and various other projects), who also support the opaque Freedesktop.org
standards.
"systemd is designed to be perpetually rolling software, not all that
different from a kernel in user space, as was elucidated in a 2014 GNOME
Asia talk. It has no clearly defined purpose beyond that other than the
vague 'basic building block to make an OS from' ...
"The end goal appears to be the creation of what we dub a Grand Unified
Linux Operating System (GULOS) and the destruction of the Linux distribution
altogether beyond cosmetic changes. GnomeOS, in particular. The latter is
actually a thing that GNOME aspire to accomplish."
IMO such planning and goals are slowly taking over the Linux ecosystem.
After all, RedHat cannot offer a fragmented and "hobbyist" OS to its paying
corporate clients. Only a "Grand Unified Linux OS," a la Microsoft Windows,
can compete in a professional market, and RedHat will thus lead the way in
destroying the simplicity of Linux.
These trends should be alarming to us all.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-21 18:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-21 17:25 [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Frank Peters
2014-09-21 17:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 18:30 ` Frank Peters [this message]
2014-09-21 19:15 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:20 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:33 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-21 19:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 19:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 21:13 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-21 22:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-21 22:15 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-21 22:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 5:27 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 0:26 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 0:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 2:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 2:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 6:00 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 12:47 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 12:53 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 16:14 ` Duncan
2014-09-23 14:55 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-24 11:25 ` Duncan
2014-09-24 16:58 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-25 4:12 ` Duncan
2014-09-25 11:34 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:18 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-07 14:55 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 17:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-07 20:43 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 20:54 ` Damien Levac
2014-10-07 21:19 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-07 21:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 1:15 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 2:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-08 3:19 ` Harry Holt
2014-10-08 12:34 ` Phil Turmel
2014-10-08 18:02 ` Frank Peters
2014-10-08 21:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-10-08 3:23 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 13:23 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:00 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:21 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Duncan
2014-09-22 17:04 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 17:58 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 18:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:08 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:46 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 19:30 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 19:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-09-22 19:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:54 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:08 ` Harry Holt
2014-09-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 3:51 ` Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 4:07 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:17 ` [gentoo-amd64] grub2 upgrade fail (was Boycott Systemd) Antoine Martin
2014-09-23 5:42 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 5:50 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:29 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-23 4:09 ` [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 4:32 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 4:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:49 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-23 6:05 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 6:31 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-23 5:28 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-23 17:11 ` Paul Jewell
2014-09-23 23:31 ` Systemd is really beside the point, anyway (was Re: [gentoo-amd64] Boycott Systemd) Barry Schwartz
2014-09-24 12:45 ` [gentoo-amd64] Re: Boycott Systemd Duncan
2014-09-22 18:41 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-09-22 19:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:07 ` Frank Peters
2014-09-22 20:24 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 20:24 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Duncan
2014-09-22 18:07 ` [gentoo-amd64] " Frank Peters
2014-09-22 16:11 ` Lie Ryan
2014-09-22 16:35 ` Barry Schwartz
2014-09-22 17:55 ` Frank Peters
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