From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57B13873B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99E03E0A9C; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2F8E0A97 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 18:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z3Lm1n0061afHeLA56Y2iV; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:32:02 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z6Y01n00i1GXozm8d6Y1pn; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:32:02 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 821B62009B0C7; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:32:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:32:00 -0600 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Please get me straight about sysvinit vs. systemd, udev vs eudev vs mdev, virtuals and other things... Message-ID: <20140303183200.GA10870@crud> References: <5314B8C6.3040803@libertytrek.org> <20140303131242.5cb4eb9a6e0128e678d12a92@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140303131242.5cb4eb9a6e0128e678d12a92@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1393871522; bh=SKuaMbra/r/AUue50po5yZLjPcL1DDghIrcyKnXLrgI=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b4dXajRMKudL6R799EnvnkcQWsW3E6V/i11tSeYVbxoxwY7BqRHoCW2+g/lI+jDEc uqYmd4iQUmhRIko1DCpHzr7im0T+F12b2xxDdZCBsXOX0amc/BhFsYgWs5HIEcz/9T eWqSVsqoH96Q9PUdURvzG5r9WsrAATe82go6s44dZCiUDnbqv2QSPYAaYX79iZwhIw eKNkDoh1DpjUbbW/+PXrycWuSOKYWrgn7YorHtGgIV8Y8knJk3Z52OUTkpn+6rC7QL bIFWVHwaNlU1Rd6AAo5PA/3z8vlBs8MGQswuWt+mPucu2q7qunxJZRIZEljfhdy7JX 3THn7llJpU9CQ== X-Archives-Salt: a745b7df-7961-4242-a303-c8100b48b395 X-Archives-Hash: 18a24a724c1d2098551f2ad678d2c99f Frank Peters skribis: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:40:59 -0500 > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > > Honestly, there is no shortage of people offering their opinions. > > What there is a shortage of is people actually doing work to make > > (e)udev do anything differently. In the end people can complain as > > much as they want, but unless they fork over effort or dollars or > > something they won't get terribly far. > > > > Work? What work? > > I have never used udev/eudev/mdev or anything similar and, if I am allowed > to nave a choice, I never will. > > Manually creating a /dev tree that perfectly reflects ones own system > is rather trivial. That's how Linux used to be and that's how Linux, > for the most part, still is. There is, or at least should be, no need > for udev or any substitute for udev. > > IOW, udev should be developed as a nice, helpful option for those who > want such nice, helpful options. But it always should be just that: optional. > Once it stops being a choice then we begin to deviate greatly from > the once sacrosanct principles of free software. I second everything here. There is very little achieved by udev that is of any appreciable benefit to a Gentoo user, who could easily create nodes and set their permissions without having to do anything complicated. (Disclaimer: Currently I am using eudev, without pleasure.)