From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A241381F3 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7220E0B02; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DDAE0ACF for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f2gT1m00B16AWCUA83BiJr; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:42 +0000 Received: from crud.chemoelectric.org ([66.41.30.59]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f3Bg1m0081GXozm8S3BhXy; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:11:41 +0000 Received: by crud.chemoelectric.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 2CF5C20271609; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:11:40 -0500 From: Barry Schwartz To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Wayland and X-Window Message-ID: <20131019151140.GA29488@crud> References: <20131018213609.f27bbd49807324d8b19a94ab@comcast.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1382195502; bh=pkn6VAgRweFf3zEjMpvc1mCevFiC+y1IdoxB+MA3xzk=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=S//IaDUSW0Oqfapbics+w2sntBYtezy8jENlTLyT0YTQGV5ER5TxKKlCqN++hx1Lp 1K8Vi3+TjxTPcDJzSqkWw/8LO5BvS5wdVpLmmj85xBWJpIP16egm2/5Qym98RVYg0g yGBDF0hLs80p0dnLoShnJmhZmexbxsVDokCvT151a3MSqt/XRcZ9cn3hOebF9dlcHW 5dMaQJ/hh6r5Alc2YlO5eIZa7EZ4QbsPufQKKz/BEMIkqirgui7uP48ONptLIoBHTo SNucOyn2ttYpAn0DFatUQgB+lerHf8vNfOy+oALvZOdIp4XA9FgzD7vV90tpWs64iY xexgzIfpPK45w== X-Archives-Salt: 12153440-8982-4a45-abe2-4f9d62c71570 X-Archives-Hash: 32cd8ff35b94e96f94be88530a25e416 Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> skribis: > * In practice, much like the story we're seeing play out with systemd, > while xorg will remain around for some time and existing features will > probably continue to work in general as they always have, just as the > various alternative init systems are, it's likely many of the newer > features will only function as designed and/or will only be "supported" > on wayland. And, as we're seeing with gnome and systemd already, I > predict they'll be dropping support for anything but wayland/weston > sooner rather than later, basically leaving the non-linux platforms and > those who aren't ready to make that change out in the cold, at least as > far as gnome goes. Just as we're seeing with systemd, distros such as > gentoo who want to continue to support gnome with xorg will be able to do > so for a couple releases, but at some point upstream gnome's code base > will have diverged significantly enough that it'll force distros into > only supporting wayland/weston for their gnome users, as well. The between the lines here is that you have certain people for whom backwards compatibility is an afterthought, stability is ‘not fun’, and competition of different approaches is to be squelched by peer pressure. All these points are really, to me, arguments for getting away from Gnome as soon as one can (which I have already done, and also switched to eudev).