From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B2F1381F3 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE743E0AF7; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CF9E0ACC for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f5Ax1m00A1uE5Es545bbAc; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:35:35 +0000 Received: from ajax ([24.11.47.14]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f5bb1m00H0JMh7c3c5bbTT; Sat, 19 Oct 2013 17:35:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 13:35:26 -0400 From: Frank Peters To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Wayland and X-Window Message-Id: <20131019133526.aefbe1444db23d2ed8012992@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20131019162426.GA8092@crud> References: <20131018213609.f27bbd49807324d8b19a94ab@comcast.net> <20131019151140.GA29488@crud> <20131019162426.GA8092@crud> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20121106; t=1382204135; bh=cVDE97FipCwbw+DxJ77OZnxGZNkgzHmB0BJb4JtMYfM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Mime-Version: Content-Type; b=lS0cEnrLAod1n8hbh4w68oKzRRKygRYjT4HqZPL+hjBWJ/GOqmFD/TAtwPDzMY5YZ 7Lcih/6eDx7gSUx91wOFrNaAQ/ZtS8cJQbXTEuAu1OwXxrbCa8zxDvIx2Za57O5LpX 6OfMRc3oTC4RqwH2RawRjc8t+JQ2pm4DcoG6zass7DPuA+DeGbKthJ5AdjQ0tzUec0 fC81DUnkQy0lWNGWSHHNWO2RrD+JF0ZB/i9tZDvkPuLpyH2OdTjgb5VjkjyyYlnQlU CzNNRAIRlvlPiOhK+UWDmiTBJ9rh6rm/ZqkPkxVZ43ksii0zWqSS4zC/bct5jJceLx zB3xMTYb7Z7Fw== X-Archives-Salt: 482ed6a0-909c-43ef-80c1-85dbb4a4b43f X-Archives-Hash: 5741c600fe7665e3bed80099cdf801ed On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 11:24:26 -0500 Barry Schwartz wrote: > > It’s not just that, but the Gnome approach is like the Microsoft/Apple > approach, of reducing choice while at the same time forcing one into > pet project, non-standard software. > Those are my sentiments completely. Gnome, however, is a desktop environment, and, as far as I'm concerned, all desktop environments are excessively bulky and totally unnecessary. There is nothing that can be done with a DE that can't be done without a DE. I never use a DE. A simple windows manager is good enough -- and Linux/GNU is the only OS that allow me that choice. However, what does concern me is that the "Gnome approach" will also be the approach taken by Wayland/Weston, and indeed by anything that is associated with the freedesktop project. Many will say: "If you don't like it, then fork it." The problem is that a graphical subsystem like X or Wayland is not the simplest of matters to fork. A graphical subsystem requires a lot of resources and expertise to develop and those few that possess those resources also will have the power to control the destiny of Linux/GNU. It is not a satisfying thought. Frank Peters