[gentoo-amd64] KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[gentoo-amd64] KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Mark Haney]

Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and now
I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4 upgrade
when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta need to be
merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up, doing a update
of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't
see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for KDE?

If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything new,
so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?
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Mark Haney
Sr. Systems Administrator
ERC Broadband
(828) 350-2415

[gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/23/2009 05:09 PM, Mark Haney wrote:
> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and now
> I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4 upgrade
> when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta need to be
> merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up, doing a update
> of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't
> see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for KDE?

No, it isn't.  Just proceed with the re-emerge.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Mark Haney]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/23/2009 05:09 PM, Mark Haney wrote:

> 
> No, it isn't.  Just proceed with the re-emerge.
> 
> 

Here's my make.conf:

USE="-gtk -gnome qt qt4 kde dvdr dvd mpeg ogg cdr alsa ipv6 symlink acpi
nptl nptlonly nsplugin dvdread unicode apache2 mad vorbis yahoo oscar
wlm opengl X pdf mp3 qt3 mozbranding jpeg arts irc encode mysql zlib a52
xml nsplugin sasl x264 xvid nowlistening mp4 faad aac svg png flac
sndfile tk xcomposite dri hal ipv6 xorg xcb sdl -semantic-desktop
-nepomuk -strigi kdeprefix win32codecs mng msn

So with kdeprefix set why am I suddenly seeing this:

[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kmplot-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
(-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/ktouch-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
(-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kturtle-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
(-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
[ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="(-kdeprefix)" 0 kB

Where 2 weeks ago I wasn't seeing that I was seeing USE="...kdeprefix..."



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[gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/23/2009 06:01 PM, Mark Haney wrote:
> Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 06/23/2009 05:09 PM, Mark Haney wrote:
>
>> No, it isn't.  Just proceed with the re-emerge.
>[...]
> So with kdeprefix set why am I suddenly seeing this:
>
> [ebuild     U ] kde-base/kmplot-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
> (-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
> [ebuild     U ] kde-base/ktouch-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
> (-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
> [ebuild     U ] kde-base/kturtle-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="handbook%* -debug
> (-kdeprefix*) (-doc%)" 0 kB
> [ebuild     U ] kde-base/kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 [4.2.3] USE="(-kdeprefix)" 0 kB
>
> Where 2 weeks ago I wasn't seeing that I was seeing USE="...kdeprefix..."

If the output of:

   grep IUSE /usr/portage/kde-base/kdeedu-meta/kdeedu-meta-4.2.4.ebuild

doesn't result in this:

   IUSE="kdeprefix"

then emerge --sync and try again.  Also, check /etc/portage/package.use 
and see if you disabled kdeprefix there and simply forgot about it.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Mark Haney]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/23/2009 06:01 PM, Mark Haney wrote:

> 
> If the output of:
> 
>   grep IUSE /usr/portage/kde-base/kdeedu-meta/kdeedu-meta-4.2.4.ebuild
> 
> doesn't result in this:
> 
>   IUSE="kdeprefix"
> 
> then emerge --sync and try again.  Also, check /etc/portage/package.use
> and see if you disabled kdeprefix there and simply forgot about it.
> 
> 

Nope, those are all right.  Here's what I have when I look at those
commands:

octavian ~ # grep IUSE
/usr/portage/kde-base/kdeedu-meta/kdeedu-meta-4.2.4.ebuild
IUSE="kdeprefix"
octavian ~ # cat /etc/portage/package.use/monolithic
#Not sure I want to keep this this way:
#kde-base/kdepimlibs -kdeprefix
dev-python/PyQt4 webkit dbus qt3support
sys-libs/glibc userlocales
app-cdr/k3b -hal
x11-libs/wxGTK unicode
net-p2p/amule gtk
sys-apps/pciutils -zlib
dev-libs/xmlrpc-c curl
x11-libs/qt:4 accessibility dbus gif jpeg png qt3support ssl zlib opengl
www-plugins/mplayerplug-in divx quicktime realmedia wmp
net-analyzer/wireshark gtk
x11-libs/qt-gui dbus
dev-lang/python berkdb sqlite
app-text/poppler-bindings gtk cairo
media-libs/wxsvg ffmpeg

Note that the one '-kdeprefix' line I have in package.use is commented
out.  That is my entire pacakge.use file, FWIW.  So what now?


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(828) 350-2415

Re: [gentoo-amd64] KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Mark Haney wrote:
> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and now
> I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4 upgrade
> when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta need to be
> merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up, doing a update
> of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't
> see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for KDE?
>
> If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything new,
> so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?

kdeprefix has been masked ( a simple grep for it in /usr/portage/porfiles 
would have told you that).

And yes, you have to start new.

The savest way is to deinstall all kde packages - I didn't do that (in fact, I 
even had kde running while doing the switch), and it was ok.

Either way, kdeprefix is gone.

[gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Mark Haney wrote:
>> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and now
>> I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4 upgrade
>> when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta need to be
>> merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up, doing a update
>> of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't
>> see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for KDE?
>>
>> If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything new,
>> so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?
>
> kdeprefix has been masked ( a simple grep for it in /usr/portage/porfiles
> would have told you that).
>
> And yes, you have to start new.
>
> The savest way is to deinstall all kde packages - I didn't do that (in fact, I
> even had kde running while doing the switch), and it was ok.
>
> Either way, kdeprefix is gone.

I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement.  I'm 
subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet 
Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to 
inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a 
one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....

[gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> a simple grep for it in /usr/portage/porfiles
> would have told you that

Btw, I don't see anything "simple" about it.  I've no idea what 
/usr/portage/porfiles is, or why it doesn't even exist here.  You could 
as well have asked to a "simple" grep on 
/usr/share/fortune/kernelcookies to find out why suspend to RAM doesn't 
work with my USB coffee cup.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > a simple grep for it in /usr/portage/porfiles
> > would have told you that
>
> Btw, I don't see anything "simple" about it.  I've no idea what
> /usr/portage/porfiles is, or why it doesn't even exist here.  You could
> as well have asked to a "simple" grep on
> /usr/share/fortune/kernelcookies to find out why suspend to RAM doesn't
> work with my USB coffee cup.


it is /usr/portage/profiles

really, can't you even spot a typo?

profiles - I am sure it is mentioned several times in the installation guide 
and other documentation - holds the profiles, as the name says. You know? The 
system set, default flags and other important stuff. Also package.mask and 
use.mask. Together with comments why something is masked.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Markos Chandras]

> On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Mark Haney wrote:
> >> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and now
> >> I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4 upgrade
> >> when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta need to be
> >> merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up, doing a update
> >> of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't
> >> see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for KDE?
> >>
> >> If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything new,
> >> so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?
> >
> > kdeprefix has been masked ( a simple grep for it in /usr/portage/porfiles
> > would have told you that).
> >
> > And yes, you have to start new.
> >
> > The savest way is to deinstall all kde packages - I didn't do that (in
> > fact, I even had kde running while doing the switch), and it was ok.
> >
> > Either way, kdeprefix is gone.
>
> I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement.  I'm
> subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet
> Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to
> inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a
> one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
there is such announcement on **Official** kde4 guide for Gentoo
-- 
Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sunrise/Sound]
Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

[gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/23/2009 10:21 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement.  I'm
>> subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet
>> Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to
>> inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a
>> one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
> there is such announcement on **Official** kde4 guide for Gentoo

I don't see one.  It would be nice to get news on normal channels.  Like 
the RSS feeds or the mailing lists.

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Mark Haney wrote:
> > >> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and
> > >> now I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4
> > >> upgrade when I left (most is done, just a few things like kdeedu-meta
> > >> need to be merged) and now I find that when I get back and sync up,
> > >> doing a update of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the '-kdeprefix' as a new use
> > >> flag.  I didn't see this before.  Is this now a required USE flag for
> > >> KDE?
> > >>
> > >> If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything
> > >> new, so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?
> > >
> > > kdeprefix has been masked ( a simple grep for it in
> > > /usr/portage/porfiles would have told you that).
> > >
> > > And yes, you have to start new.
> > >
> > > The savest way is to deinstall all kde packages - I didn't do that (in
> > > fact, I even had kde running while doing the switch), and it was ok.
> > >
> > > Either way, kdeprefix is gone.
> >
> > I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement.  I'm
> > subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet
> > Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to
> > inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a
> > one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
> there is such announcement on **Official** kde4 guide for Gentoo

what he means is:
a mail to gentoo-user, -announce and or a news item on gentoo.org would have 
been the right thing to do.

And that is something I support. 

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Markos Chandras]

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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 22:25:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/23/2009 10:21 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> >> I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement.  I'm
> >> subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet
> >> Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to
> >> inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a
> >> one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....
> >
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
> > there is such announcement on **Official** kde4 guide for Gentoo
>
> I don't see one.  
Ok what about this

3.  Installation

The new kdeprefix USE flag
**Warning: Big Fat Warning! The kdeprefix USE flag is masked. It's unsupported 
and shouldn't be used by users in any way. Use on your own risk.**

> It would be nice to get news on normal channels.  Like
> the RSS feeds or the mailing lists.
The announcement is also on the last meeting summary. Maybe an announcement on 
gentoo-desktop should might be needed as well but anyway. We cant just update 
all the possible media a gentoo users uses.  We could have made an 
announcement on forums as well or a blog spot. 
Anyway
-- 
Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise]
Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: KDE 4.2.4 and kdeprefix

[Markos Chandras]

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On Tuesday 23 June 2009 22:28:43 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > > On 06/23/2009 09:40 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > > > On Dienstag 23 Juni 2009, Mark Haney wrote:
> > > >> Okay, I took a week off to hit my beach house in the Outer Banks and
> > > >> now I'm back and ready to roll.  I was in the middle of my KDE 4.2.4
> > > >> upgrade when I left (most is done, just a few things like
> > > >> kdeedu-meta need to be merged) and now I find that when I get back
> > > >> and sync up, doing a update of kdeedu-meta-4.2.4 has the
> > > >> '-kdeprefix' as a new use flag.  I didn't see this before.  Is this
> > > >> now a required USE flag for KDE?
> > > >>
> > > >> If so I need to blow away my existing packages and build everything
> > > >> new, so what's the best way to do that with the minimum of fuss?
> > > >
> > > > kdeprefix has been masked ( a simple grep for it in
> > > > /usr/portage/porfiles would have told you that).
> > > >
> > > > And yes, you have to start new.
> > > >
> > > > The savest way is to deinstall all kde packages - I didn't do that
> > > > (in fact, I even had kde running while doing the switch), and it was
> > > > ok.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, kdeprefix is gone.
> > >
> > > I'm baffled.  This should have at least deserved some announcement. 
> > > I'm subscribed to mailing lists and all the feeds on gentoo.org (Planet
> > > Gentoo and whatever.)  Silence.  This is not good.  Someone has to
> > > inform us every now and then about what's going on, even if it's just a
> > > one-liner written posted in 10 seconds....
> >
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
> > there is such announcement on **Official** kde4 guide for Gentoo
>
> what he means is:
> a mail to gentoo-user, -announce and or a news item on gentoo.org would
> have been the right thing to do.
>
> And that is something I support.
A gentoo news item would have been excellent. I admit that we failed on that
-- 
Markos Chandras (hwoarang)
Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sound/Sunrise]
Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org

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