[gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Dan Reidy]

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On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
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>
> gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
>
> Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> information.
>
> Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>
>         9599
interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including several 
other lists.

sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.

-d


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[darren kirby]

quoth the Dan Reidy:
> On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
> > Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
> >
> > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
> >
> > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> > information.
> >
> > Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> >
> >         9599
>
> interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including several
> other lists.
>
> sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.
>
> -d

The bounces don't show up on the list, so, no annoyance. Interestingly, I got 
this same exact message. Mailing list issue?

Another -d
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Mihir Sevak]

yes i think it is a mailing list issue....
because i also observed same problem...

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM, darren kirby <bulliver@badcomputer.org> wrote:
> quoth the Dan Reidy:
>> On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
>> > Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
>> >
>> > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
>> >
>> > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
>> > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
>> > information.
>> >
>> > Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>> >
>> >         9599
>>
>> interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including several
>> other lists.
>>
>> sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.
>>
>> -d
>
> The bounces don't show up on the list, so, no annoyance. Interestingly, I got
> this same exact message. Mailing list issue?
>
> Another -d
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> "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..."
> - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972
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>



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Chris Brennan]

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I experiences this as well ... I also noted I hadn't received an e-mail from
the gentoo-amd64 list in some time ..... it also listed several hundred
missed e-mails .... a much higher volume then usual for this list .....

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Mihir Sevak <mihir.sevak@gmail.com> wrote:

> yes i think it is a mailing list issue....
> because i also observed same problem...
>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:32 PM, darren kirby <bulliver@badcomputer.org>
> wrote:
> > quoth the Dan Reidy:
> >> On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
> >> > Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
> >> >
> >> > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
> >> >
> >> > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> >> > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
> >> > information.
> >> >
> >> > Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> >> >
> >> >         9599
> >>
> >> interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including several
> >> other lists.
> >>
> >> sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.
> >>
> >> -d
> >
> > The bounces don't show up on the list, so, no annoyance. Interestingly, I
> got
> > this same exact message. Mailing list issue?
> >
> > Another -d
> > --
> > darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org
> > "...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more
> expected..."
> > - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972
> > --
> > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> Possible???"
> Mihir
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Daniel Iliev]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.  

Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.

:)


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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

Ack! Sorry, forgot.

Daniel Iliev wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.  
>>     
>
> Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.
>
> :)
>
>
>   

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Kenneth Prugh]

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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:09:08 -0400
Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ack! Sorry, forgot.
> 
> Daniel Iliev wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
> > Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.  
> >>     
> >
> > Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >   
> 

Please stop top-posting.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Harry Holt]

I prefer redundant top-and-bottom posting, myself.

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Kenneth Prugh <ken69267@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:09:08 -0400
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ack! Sorry, forgot.
>>
>> Daniel Iliev wrote:
>> > On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
>> > Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
> Please stop top-posting.
>
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>

I prefer redundant top-and-bottom posting, myself.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

Kenneth Prugh wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:09:08 -0400
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Ack! Sorry, forgot.
>>
>> Daniel Iliev wrote:
>>     
>>> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
>>> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.  
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>
> Please stop top-posting.
>
>   
Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one 
e-mail. I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong with 
"top-posting"?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Juan Fco. Giordana]

Nobody is offended, its just that there are 11 emails by now.

Peter Davoust wrote:
> Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one 
> e-mail. I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong with 
> "top-posting"?
> 


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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Daniel Iliev]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:23:56 -0300
"Juan Fco. Giordana" <juangiordana@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nobody is offended, its just that there are 11 emails by now.

At last! I was starting to think there's no one here anymore. :)

(how about this middle-posting? Isn't it awesome?) :)

> 
> Peter Davoust wrote:
> > Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one 
> > e-mail. I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong
> > with "top-posting"?
> > 
> 
> 


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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Chris Brennan]

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Ya ... since when is top-posting a nono requirement of this list?

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kenneth Prugh wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:09:08 -0400
>> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ack! Sorry, forgot.
>>>
>>> Daniel Iliev wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:47:11 -0400
>>>> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>>>>>
>>>> Please, avoid sending me HTML e-mails.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Please stop top-posting.
>>
>>
>>
> Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one e-mail.
> I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong with
> "top-posting"?
>
> --
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> Microsoft Office documents can carry viruses, and they contain
> hidden information that you may not want to communicate in your document (
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3154479.stm)
>
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>

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 9. Juni 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> Ya ... since when is top-posting a nono requirement of this list?

since its 'conception'. Top posting is no-no on almost all lists. Except ones 
for 15 year old msn-using-myspace-kiddies.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

But why?

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Montag, 9. Juni 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
>   
>> Ya ... since when is top-posting a nono requirement of this list?
>>     
>
> since its 'conception'. Top posting is no-no on almost all lists. Except ones 
> for 15 year old msn-using-myspace-kiddies.
>   

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Chris Traylor]

On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 16:45 -0400, Peter Davoust wrote:
> But why?
Here's the first hit from google. I'm sure that there are many others.
http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#inline

> 
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Montag, 9. Juni 2008, Chris Brennan wrote:
> >   
> >> Ya ... since when is top-posting a nono requirement of this list?
> >>     
> >
> > since its 'conception'. Top posting is no-no on almost all lists. Except ones 
> > for 15 year old msn-using-myspace-kiddies.
> >   
> 
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> Microsoft Office documents can carry viruses, and they contain
> hidden information that you may not want to communicate in your 
> document (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3154479.stm)
> 
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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

>
> Here's the first hit from google. I'm sure that there are many others.
> http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#inline
Ah, so top-posting is not, in fact, the problem (according to that 
link), it's providing an excessive amount of quotation, is that correct? 
And if I were to write an e-mail to someone, not referencing anything 
they had sent me before, it would be proper to write that above any 
quotations, right?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT-Netiquette]

[Daniel Iliev]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:45:35 -0400
Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:

> But why?


	RFC 1855, Section 3.1.1:

"If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context."


http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT-Netiquette]

[Peter Davoust]

>
> RFC 1855, Section 3.1.1:
>
> "If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context."
>
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855
Question answered. Thank you.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Daniel Iliev]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:19:37 -0400
Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one 
> e-mail. I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong
> with "top-posting"?
> 


Well, I was joking. Actually I myself return personal mails containing
MS Office documents which can't open with OO. The returned mail
contains a request to whoever the sender was to give me money for MS
Office. The money will be well spent on (surprise!) beers in the
nearest pub, but unfortunately everyone sends pdf versions of the
documents instead.
I still keep the hope.

:)


ON-Topic: I hope this little flood-test (10+ mails) proved the problem
with bouncing is gone?

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Re: [gentoo-amd64][OT] ...you have been bouncing

[Peter Davoust]

Ok, thanks. I was joking a little too, I just had no clue what could 
possibly be wrong with top-posting. If you post on the bottom, the 
person on the receiving end thinks you've sent a quoted message and 
forgotten to actually write anything (depending on who you're sending it 
to). I like the asking for money idea, I should try it. Cheers.

Daniel Iliev wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:19:37 -0400
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Wow. I didn't know I could so easily offend so many people with one 
>> e-mail. I understand the issue with HTML e-mails, but what's wrong
>> with "top-posting"?
>>
>>     
>
>
> Well, I was joking. Actually I myself return personal mails containing
> MS Office documents which can't open with OO. The returned mail
> contains a request to whoever the sender was to give me money for MS
> Office. The money will be well spent on (surprise!) beers in the
> nearest pub, but unfortunately everyone sends pdf versions of the
> documents instead.
> I still keep the hope.
>
> :)
>
>
> ON-Topic: I hope this little flood-test (10+ mails) proved the problem
> with bouncing is gone?
>
>   

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Daniel Iliev]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:32:34 -0600
darren kirby <bulliver@badcomputer.org> wrote:

> quoth the Dan Reidy:
> > On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
> > > Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
> > >
> > > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
> > >
> > > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
> > > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for
> > > your information.
> > >
> > > Here is the list of the bounced messages:
> > >
> > >         9599
> >
> > interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including
> > several other lists.
> >
> > sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.
> >
> > -d
> 
> The bounces don't show up on the list, so, no annoyance.
> Interestingly, I got this same exact message. Mailing list issue?
> 
> Another -d


Well, if your (Darren's) address wasn't at badcomputer.org I was ready
to blame Gmail. Just kidding. :)

I thing we can't figure out what the problem was w/o seeing the bounced
message (assuming there was one).


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[gentoo-amd64] Re: ...you have been bouncing

[Duncan]

darren kirby <bulliver@badcomputer.org> posted
200806091232.35053.bulliver@badcomputer.org, excerpted below, on  Mon, 09
Jun 2008 12:32:34 -0600:

> quoth the Dan Reidy:
>> On Monday 09 June 2008 12:00:20 pm the_list_bot wrote:
>> > Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
>> >
>> > gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org
>> >
>> > Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
>> > message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
>> > information.
>> >
>> > Here is the list of the bounced messages:
>> >
>> >         9599
>>
>> interesting, since i get all my other mail just fine. including several
>> other lists.
> 
> The bounces don't show up on the list, so, no annoyance. Interestingly,
> I got this same exact message. Mailing list issue?

I read this list and most others on gmane, so don't see the bounces, but 
I get the gentoo-nfp list in digest form, and get the message about it 
bouncing once in awhile.  Since it's a digest, that's several posts, 
which is frustrating.

I had my ISP check into it and it seems someone is likely posting spam or 
the like, which gets digested with the other messages by the listbot, 
then rejected due to the URL in the spam being on a blacklist my ISP 
uses.  They said I could try to take it further, coordinating with the 
list admin and my ISP to see what might be done, but no guarantees.  But 
it doesn't happen too often and at least now I know what's going on, so 
I've not worried about it... except that it's still frustrating to miss 
the messages, but I can look them up in the Gentoo archive if I need to.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] ...you have been bouncing

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 9. Juni 2008, Dan Reidy wrote:

> sorry if my 'bounces' have been annoying the list.

don't worry, it happens once in a while. Sometimes weeks go by with no bounce, 
sometimes they are several at one day.

I blame the ml-server and my 'isp' mail server being pissy at each other like 
13 year old girls.  After a while everything is fine again. No reason to 
worry about it.
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