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* [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
@ 2007-11-02 12:53 Mark Haney
  2007-11-02 13:17 ` Beso
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From: Mark Haney @ 2007-11-02 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

Just out of curiosity, I've got the itch to try Compiz Fusion on my
amd64 Gentoo box.  Before I do, I wanted to see if anyone else is using
or has used it on an amd64 system recently?


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 12:53 [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64 Mark Haney
@ 2007-11-02 13:17 ` Beso
  2007-11-02 13:45 ` Olivier Crête
                   ` (3 subsequent siblings)
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From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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it compiles and works. but with fglrx is very slow, at least on my board.
you just have to add the xeffects overlay and install it from there, since
it's there.

2007/11/2, Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>:
>
> Just out of curiosity, I've got the itch to try Compiz Fusion on my
> amd64 Gentoo box.  Before I do, I wanted to see if anyone else is using
> or has used it on an amd64 system recently?
>
>
> --
> Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem!
>
>
> Mark Haney
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> ERC Broadband
> (828) 350-2415
>
> Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support
> --
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 12:53 [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64 Mark Haney
  2007-11-02 13:17 ` Beso
@ 2007-11-02 13:45 ` Olivier Crête
  2007-11-02 14:11   ` Beso
  2007-11-02 17:18 ` Brian Litzinger
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Olivier Crête @ 2007-11-02 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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On Fri, 2007-02-11 at 08:53 -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I've got the itch to try Compiz Fusion on my
> amd64 Gentoo box.  Before I do, I wanted to see if anyone else is using
> or has used it on an amd64 system recently?

I've been using Compiz-Fusion and Beryl for a few months without
problems. But you can really use it only if you have an Nvidia card,
others are just too slow.

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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 13:45 ` Olivier Crête
@ 2007-11-02 14:11   ` Beso
  2007-11-02 14:15     ` Mark Haney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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that's not true. now ati has finally stable and performant drivers with
aiglx support. and before the last release you could have used this with
xgl.

>
> I've been using Compiz-Fusion and Beryl for a few months without
> problems. But you can really use it only if you have an Nvidia card,
> others are just too slow.
>
> --
> Olivier Crête
> tester@gentoo.org
> Gentoo Developer
>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 14:11   ` Beso
@ 2007-11-02 14:15     ` Mark Haney
  2007-11-02 15:13       ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Mark Haney @ 2007-11-02 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

Beso wrote:
> that's not true. now ati has finally stable and performant drivers with
> aiglx support. and before the last release you could have used this with
> xgl.
> 

So, it's worthwhile now to try with ati drivers?  I've never been a big
fan of Nvidia cards or drivers, but I'm not happy with ATI's drivers
either.




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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 14:15     ` Mark Haney
@ 2007-11-02 15:13       ` Beso
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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now they work quite well and with enemy territory: quake 4 they perform 20%
better than vista counterpart on a hd2900.
search www.phoronix.com for more details on ati hw and on linux hw and news
in general.
in the forums there are discussion threads on the current fglrx release and
on current oss releases.

2007/11/2, Mark Haney <mhaney@ercbroadband.org>:
>
> Beso wrote:
> > that's not true. now ati has finally stable and performant drivers with
> > aiglx support. and before the last release you could have used this with
> > xgl.
> >
>
> So, it's worthwhile now to try with ati drivers?  I've never been a big
> fan of Nvidia cards or drivers, but I'm not happy with ATI's drivers
> either.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Recedite, plebes! Gero rem imperialem!
>
>
> Mark Haney
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> ERC Broadband
> (828) 350-2415
>
> Call (866) ERC-7110 for after hours support
> --
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 12:53 [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64 Mark Haney
  2007-11-02 13:17 ` Beso
  2007-11-02 13:45 ` Olivier Crête
@ 2007-11-02 17:18 ` Brian Litzinger
  2007-11-02 18:24 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-02 20:35 ` Kevin
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Brian Litzinger @ 2007-11-02 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 08:53:12AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I've got the itch to try Compiz Fusion on my
> amd64 Gentoo box.  Before I do, I wanted to see if anyone else is using
> or has used it on an amd64 system recently?

Does compiz-fusion support 'focus follows mouse'?

That particular paradigm has been broken most of the times I
tried it.

I.E. 

    focus follows mouse
    click in window does not raise
    click on title bar does raise
    new windows on top

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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 12:53 [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64 Mark Haney
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-11-02 17:18 ` Brian Litzinger
@ 2007-11-02 18:24 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-02 19:06   ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
  2007-11-02 20:35 ` Kevin
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-02 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Freitag, 2. November 2007, Mark Haney wrote:

if you are using a nvidia 8xxx card, performance is extremly low - see the 
threads on nvnews.

I installed the latest compiz - and it really does not work. Oh I can maximize 
and minimize windows. But I can't change size, move them or do anything else.

This is something new with latest compiz-fusion and my 8600GT.

So from my POV: compiz is not worth the space it occupies on the harddisk. And 
even when it runs I only use it for some minutes - because after some time 
wobbly windows, fire-effect&co really get my nervers....

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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 18:24 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-02 19:06   ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
  2007-11-02 19:21     ` Beso
  2007-11-02 20:39     ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Ângelo Miguel Arrifano @ 2007-11-02 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:24:11 +0100
"Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:

> On Freitag, 2. November 2007, Mark Haney wrote:
> 
> if you are using a nvidia 8xxx card, performance is extremly low - see the 
> threads on nvnews.
> 
> I installed the latest compiz - and it really does not work. Oh I can maximize 
> and minimize windows. But I can't change size, move them or do anything else.
> 
> This is something new with latest compiz-fusion and my 8600GT.
> 
> So from my POV: compiz is not worth the space it occupies on the harddisk. And 
> even when it runs I only use it for some minutes - because after some time 
> wobbly windows, fire-effect&co really get my nervers....
> 
> -- 
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
> 

I'm using a nvidia 8400GS card. Beryl performance isn't bad. But effects tend to lag due to some reason.
I think it's related to nvidia Coolbits and/or automatic GPU Freq. Not really sure.
Every single effect lags at start. But, if some effect is already going on and I start another one, the new one won't lag.
This really makes me believe it's something related to GPU clock. When computer is IDLE and I start a effect, the clock rate is LOW and effect goes SLOW, but right after, it looks like the GPU clock rate increases and the effect goes OK.

And it's not only on Beryl. I'm using XFCE with composite enabled for having transparent windows.. Every time I move a window with transparency, the move operation itself is SLOW on the beginning and then goes OK.

OpenGL performance with this card is great as you can see with Tremulous and Alien Arena games.

I hope next nvidia drivers fixes this issue.
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CSE Student at UBI, Portugal
Gentoo Linux AMD64 Arch Tester
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http://miknix.homelinux.com
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 19:06   ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
@ 2007-11-02 19:21     ` Beso
  2007-11-02 20:53       ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
  2007-11-02 20:39     ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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the problem with compiz/compiz fusion is that it needs a high level board to
run smooth and curently. fglrx has some bugs, except for the 6+ version,
that should be corrected in the new 8.43 release of this month.
as for beryl, of my experience it needs at least half the resources of
compiz.


> I'm using a nvidia 8400GS card. Beryl performance isn't bad. But effects
> tend to lag due to some reason.
> I think it's related to nvidia Coolbits and/or automatic GPU Freq. Not
> really sure.
> Every single effect lags at start. But, if some effect is already going on
> and I start another one, the new one won't lag.
> This really makes me believe it's something related to GPU clock. When
> computer is IDLE and I start a effect, the clock rate is LOW and effect goes
> SLOW, but right after, it looks like the GPU clock rate increases and the
> effect goes OK.


this is the problem of the cpufreq polling mechanism. if you lauch the
effect when the processor is about to poll the load then you won't have
problems of slow effects. if you want a more receptive system set the timer
freq in the kernel to 1000 hz and then set the polling of the cpufreq to
lower values.

And it's not only on Beryl. I'm using XFCE with composite enabled for having
> transparent windows.. Every time I move a window with transparency, the move
> operation itself is SLOW on the beginning and then goes OK.


same problem as before. by the way, beryl is destined to die, for what i've
learned.

OpenGL performance with this card is great as you can see with Tremulous and
> Alien Arena games.
>
> I hope next nvidia drivers fixes this issue.


nvidia has released drivers last week or it's about to release a new driver.
for more info search www.phoronix.com and search for nvidia articles.

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> CSE Student at UBI, Portugal
> Gentoo Linux AMD64 Arch Tester
> miknix@gmail.com
> http://miknix.homelinux.com
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>
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 12:53 [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64 Mark Haney
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2007-11-02 18:24 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-02 20:35 ` Kevin
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From: Kevin @ 2007-11-02 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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> Just out of curiosity, I've got the itch to try Compiz Fusion on my
>  amd64 Gentoo box.  Before I do, I wanted to see if anyone else is
> using or has used it on an amd64 system recently?
>
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 19:06   ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
  2007-11-02 19:21     ` Beso
@ 2007-11-02 20:39     ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-02 23:17       ` Beso
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-02 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Freitag, 2. November 2007, Ângelo Miguel Arrifano wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:24:11 +0100
>
> "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> > On Freitag, 2. November 2007, Mark Haney wrote:
> >
> > if you are using a nvidia 8xxx card, performance is extremly low - see
> > the threads on nvnews.
> >
> > I installed the latest compiz - and it really does not work. Oh I can
> > maximize and minimize windows. But I can't change size, move them or do
> > anything else.
> >
> > This is something new with latest compiz-fusion and my 8600GT.
> >
> > So from m> >
> > if you are 
> >y POV: compiz is not worth the space it occupies on the
> > harddisk. And even when it runs I only use it for some minutes - because
> > after some timusing a nvidia 8xxx card, performance is extremly low - see
> > the threads on nvnews.
> >
> > I installed the latest compiz - and it really does not work. Oh I can
> > maximize and minimize windows. But I can't change size, move them or do
> > anything else.e wobbly windows, fire-effect&co really get my nervers....
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I'm using a nvidia 8400GS card. Beryl performance isn't bad. But effects
> tend to lag due to some reason. I think it's related to nvidia Coolbits
> and/or automatic GPU Freq. Not really sure. Every single effect lags at
> start. But, if some effect is already going on and I start another one, the
> new one won't lag. This really makes me believe it's something related to
> GPU clock. When computer is IDLE and I start a effect, the clock rate is
> LOW and effect goes SLOW, but right after, it looks like the GPU clock rate
> increases and the effect goes OK.

a) AFAIK does my card not change frequencies.
b) while beryl works. but is unusable slow, compiz-fusion does not work at 
all.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 19:21     ` Beso
@ 2007-11-02 20:53       ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
  2007-11-02 23:34         ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Ângelo Miguel Arrifano @ 2007-11-02 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:21:48 +0100
Beso <givemesugarr@gmail.com> wrote:

> the problem with compiz/compiz fusion is that it needs a high level board to
> run smooth and curently. fglrx has some bugs, except for the 6+ version,
> that should be corrected in the new 8.43 release of this month.
> as for beryl, of my experience it needs at least half the resources of
> compiz.
> 
> 
> > I'm using a nvidia 8400GS card. Beryl performance isn't bad. But effects
> > tend to lag due to some reason.
> > I think it's related to nvidia Coolbits and/or automatic GPU Freq. Not
> > really sure.
> > Every single effect lags at start. But, if some effect is already going on
> > and I start another one, the new one won't lag.
> > This really makes me believe it's something related to GPU clock. When
> > computer is IDLE and I start a effect, the clock rate is LOW and effect goes
> > SLOW, but right after, it looks like the GPU clock rate increases and the
> > effect goes OK.
> 
> 
> this is the problem of the cpufreq polling mechanism. if you lauch the
> effect when the processor is about to poll the load then you won't have
> problems of slow effects. if you want a more receptive system set the timer
> freq in the kernel to 1000 hz and then set the polling of the cpufreq to
> lower values.
Thanks for your suggestion!
I've built linux with timer freq 1000Hz and also set CPUFreq scaling governor to performance. And beryl
continues to lag.. I don't think it's a CPU freq issue.
Also I'm running a dual core SMP system where I think a 1000Hz timer won't be beneficial.

I tried setting higher GPU clocks for 2D mode using the nvidia-settings utility and beryl is now more responsive,
but not enough. Maybe the transition between 2D to 3D mode is somewhat slow causing this laginess for a while.

> 
> And it's not only on Beryl. I'm using XFCE with composite enabled for having
> > transparent windows.. Every time I move a window with transparency, the move
> > operation itself is SLOW on the beginning and then goes OK.
> 
> 
> same problem as before. by the way, beryl is destined to die, for what i've
> learned.
> 
> OpenGL performance with this card is great as you can see with Tremulous and
> > Alien Arena games.
> >
> > I hope next nvidia drivers fixes this issue.
> 
> 
> nvidia has released drivers last week or it's about to release a new driver.
> for more info search www.phoronix.com and search for nvidia articles.
Nice.. Just waiting to help stabilize it :D
> 
> --
> > Angelo Arrifano AKA MiKNiX
> > CSE Student at UBI, Portugal
> > Gentoo Linux AMD64 Arch Tester
> > miknix@gmail.com
> > http://miknix.homelinux.com
> > PGP Pubkey online
> >
> > - -
> > Love is an obsessive delusion that is cured by marriage.
> >                 -- Dr. Karl Bowman
> > --
> > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> dott. ing. beso
> 

Greetings
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CSE Student at UBI, Portugal
Gentoo Linux AMD64 Arch Tester
miknix@gmail.com
http://miknix.homelinux.com
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 20:39     ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-02 23:17       ` Beso
  2007-11-03  1:17         ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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what's your card?

>
>
> a) AFAIK does my card not change frequencies.
> b) while beryl works. but is unusable slow, compiz-fusion does not work at
> all.
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>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 20:53       ` Ângelo Miguel Arrifano
@ 2007-11-02 23:34         ` Beso
  2007-11-03  1:16           ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-02 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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> Thanks for your suggestion!
> I've built linux with timer freq 1000Hz and also set CPUFreq scaling
> governor to performance. And beryl
> continues to lag.. I don't think it's a CPU freq issue.


from what you've said it seems that it has some things related to the
processor switch to on. even if it's on performace, the processor would wait
a little time to start processing the commands. this should be less than
1nanosec so impercetible to human mind, but it seems that on your sytem
there's a bottleneck somewhere. maybe you've set the tickless option in
kernel for powersaving mode, or your disk is spinning too much. install some
monitor daemon (like kima on kde) or other that are around and see what
happens when you trigger your update: see if your processor is actually at
full speed and what's its load when it starts to work on beryl.

Also I'm running a dual core SMP system where I think a 1000Hz timer won't
> be beneficial.


it's not true, from what i've heard around.

I tried setting higher GPU clocks for 2D mode using the nvidia-settings
> utility and beryl is now more responsive,
> but not enough. Maybe the transition between 2D to 3D mode is somewhat
> slow causing this laginess for a while.


then maybe you have some wrong settings in xorg.conf. try looking around in
some forums to see if there are some specific nvidia settings. on phoronix
there's an nvidia dedicated forum so take a look there too. you may find
something useful.

>
> Nice.. Just waiting to help stabilize it :D


i've learned that ati-drivers and nvidia ones are better to install when
they reach the ~ branch since, especially for ati ones, that are released
every month and don't make it in time in the stable branch until there are
new bugfixes and performance tunes. this should apply also. the nvidia one
in the stable is 14 releases behind the released one (about one year and a
half), and there have been a lot of fixes and the 8000 series have had a lot
of performance improvements.
i'd recommend you to add x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers ~x86 or
x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers ~amd64 and update the drivers. and this is not a
simple recommendation but it's more a do the upgrade since it will only make
your linux experience better.
and last thing: the tilde branch don't mean that a package won't work or
would break your system. it simply means that if the package don't work then
you don't have to complain about it with gentoo devs since they'll tell you
that the package is not stable and you weren't forced to use it. for example
upgrading to the latest kernel is not bad and many users (like bcm43xx one
have always some fixes and some performance gains); the same goes for
compiz/beryl, which i recommend to install from the xeffects overlay (look
into the forum or in www.gentoo-xeffects.org on how to add the overlay to
portage), will most likely not hit the stable branch as they're not
mantained directly by gentoo devs. the packages that are really bad are the
one hardmasked and that ones it's not recommended to install unless you
really know what you're doing.
but i repeat, for tilde this doesn't apply.

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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 23:34         ` Beso
@ 2007-11-03  1:16           ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-03 10:27             ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-03  1:16 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:

it is not the processor.

It is the 8XXX series. Really, go to the nvnews forums. People have seen huge 
performance problemsn when switching from a 7xxx card to an 8xxx card.

There are several threads about it. It is the 8xxx series and drivers and 
nothing else. I had better beryl performance with a X2 4600, ondemand and a 
6600 than with my X2 6000 performance and 8600GT.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-02 23:17       ` Beso
@ 2007-11-03  1:17         ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-07 21:05           ` Daniel Iliev
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-03  1:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> what's your card?
>
> > a) AFAIK does my card not change frequencies.
> > b) while beryl works. but is unusable slow, compiz-fusion does not work
> > at all.
> > --
> > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list

8600GT

I did not haver that problems with a 6600.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03  1:16           ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-03 10:27             ` Beso
  2007-11-03 11:17               ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-03 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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i've read about some nvidia bugs with that serie. but they were corrected in
the later driver releases. so update to a newer release and see how they've
improved. there should be not only a bugfixing but also a performance gain
in the latest drivers.

2007/11/3, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>:
>
> On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
>
> it is not the processor.
>
> It is the 8XXX series. Really, go to the nvnews forums. People have seen
> huge
> performance problemsn when switching from a 7xxx card to an 8xxx card.
>
> There are several threads about it. It is the 8xxx series and drivers and
> nothing else. I had better beryl performance with a X2 4600, ondemand and
> a
> 6600 than with my X2 6000 performance and 8600GT.
> --
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03 10:27             ` Beso
@ 2007-11-03 11:17               ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-03 15:08                 ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-03 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> 've read about some nvidia bugs with that serie. but they were corrected in
> the later driver releases. so update to a newer release and see how they've
> improved. there should be not only a bugfixing but also a performance gain
> in the latest drivers.

no, they aren't corrected. Please, I am a nvnews forum veteran. And believe 
me, the performance problems with the 8XXX series are not solved in the .19 
or .23 release of the driver. Just go there and have a look for yourself.
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03 11:17               ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-03 15:08                 ` Beso
  2007-11-03 15:37                   ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-03 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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try the nouveau driver, the oss reversengineering nvidia 2d/3d driver.
here's the article about the companion 29 release:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=894&num=1

here's the nouveau wiki:
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/
now it seems to be down, so maybe you'll have to check later for
installation howtos and the point on the state of the driver.

2007/11/3, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>:
>
> On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> > 've read about some nvidia bugs with that serie. but they were corrected
> in
> > the later driver releases. so update to a newer release and see how
> they've
> > improved. there should be not only a bugfixing but also a performance
> gain
> > in the latest drivers.
>
> no, they aren't corrected. Please, I am a nvnews forum veteran. And
> believe
> me, the performance problems with the 8XXX series are not solved in the
> .19
> or .23 release of the driver. Just go there and have a look for yourself.
> --
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


-- 
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03 15:08                 ` Beso
@ 2007-11-03 15:37                   ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
  2007-11-03 19:02                     ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2007-11-03 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> try the nouveau driver, the oss reversengineering nvidia 2d/3d driver.

I know nouveau. I have read their irc logs from the beginning. And I will 
certainly not try a driver that crashs my box, has no 3d and low 2d 
performance.

Besides AFAIR nouveau does not support 8xxx cards - or support them less than 
6xxx cards - which is mostly the same.

And I don't know how a driver with no 3d funtionality at all should help with 
3d effects slowdown?

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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03 15:37                   ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-03 19:02                     ` Beso
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-03 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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i don't know nouveau and how it works since i have an ati, and with the new
oss policy i don't think that i will switch to nvidia.
i've told myself that i would have given to ati till the end of this year to
make a good linux driver and they seem to have done it, even if there are
still some problems around. the release of the specs of their gpus it will
boost their hw over nvidia if they will actually do it. till now ati has
released only 2d specs and the novell full-time working group is doing a
good job and they seem to be sure to release a full working 2d driver till
the end of the year or at most till feb 2008.
returning to nvidia topic, i always thought that nouveau was supporting 3d
and that it was also supporting the 8000 series, but not the 9000 one. it
seems that i was mistaken and for that i need to apologize for the error. at
least, now i've understood that nvidia isn't very far away from ati on some
boards...

2007/11/3, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>:
>
> On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> > try the nouveau driver, the oss reversengineering nvidia 2d/3d driver.
>
> I know nouveau. I have read their irc logs from the beginning. And I will
> certainly not try a driver that crashs my box, has no 3d and low 2d
> performance.
>
> Besides AFAIR nouveau does not support 8xxx cards - or support them less
> than
> 6xxx cards - which is mostly the same.
>
> And I don't know how a driver with no 3d funtionality at all should help
> with
> 3d effects slowdown?
>
> --
> gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-03  1:17         ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2007-11-07 21:05           ` Daniel Iliev
  2007-11-07 21:29             ` Beso
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Iliev @ 2007-11-07 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:17:02 +0100
"Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:

> On Samstag, 3. November 2007, Beso wrote:
> > what's your card?
> >
> > > a) AFAIK does my card not change frequencies.
> > > b) while beryl works. but is unusable slow, compiz-fusion does
> > > not work at all.
> > > --
> > > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list
> 
> 8600GT
> 
> I did not haver that problems with a 6600.


Hi, guys!

Some thoughts I hope could be useful:

Compiz-fusion works very well here on an extremely slow NV Card -
FX-6100. It is integrated in the mobo, so it is even slower than an AGP
attached GF4 MX440. (It is for sure, not just an expression.)

So, as I read the posts of those who complain about low performance and
compare their cards with mine, I'm starting to think the problem is not
in the very cards, but in the drivers for the newer models.

Using beryl I had a problem with new windows displayed as black
squares when the system was low on RAM. With compiz-fusion I
haven't seen this (yet).

My installation is from the "xeffects" overlay manually synced like
this:
"svn co svn://svn.gentoo-xeffects.org/xeffects/trunk xeffects"

I didn't strictly follow the "how-tos" [1][2], but unmasked
the packages one by one until I got the following list in
package.keywords:

=====
=x11-wm/compiz-fusion-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-libs/compizconfig-backend-gconf-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-libs/libcompizconfig-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-wm/compiz-0.6.2 ~amd64
=x11-libs/libwnck-2.20.1 ~amd64
=x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.1 ~amd64
=dev-libs/glib-2.14.2 ~amd64
=x11-libs/pango-1.18.3 ~amd64
=x11-themes/emerald-themes-0.5.2 ~amd64
=x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-main-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-libs/compiz-bcop-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-libs/compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-apps/ccsm-0.6.0 ~amd64
=dev-python/compizconfig-python-0.6.0.1 ~amd64
=x11-plugins/compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported-0.6.0 ~amd64
=x11-wm/emerald-0.5.2 ~amd64
x11-apps/fusion-icon **
=======

[1] http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_compiz-fusion

[2] http://wiki.gentoo-xeffects.org/Compiz_Fusion


-- 
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Daniel
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* Re: [gentoo-amd64] Compiz-Fusion and amd64
  2007-11-07 21:05           ` Daniel Iliev
@ 2007-11-07 21:29             ` Beso
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Beso @ 2007-11-07 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-amd64

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> So, as I read the posts of those who complain about low performance and
> compare their cards with mine, I'm starting to think the problem is not
> in the very cards, but in the drivers for the newer models.


yep, it's widely known that the 8xxx series have some driver problems. the
new driver is imminent and maybe it would fix these issues.

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