From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I6peU-0005Ih-Av for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:23:22 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l66FKris023429; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:20:53 GMT Received: from euclid.r.igoro.us (209-242-5-195.rev.dls.net [209.242.5.195]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l66FKqtV023407 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:20:52 GMT Received: by euclid.r.igoro.us (Postfix, from userid 9000) id 14C176B98; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:20:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:20:51 -0500 From: "Dustin J. Mitchell" To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Message-ID: <20070706152051.GA25052@v.igoro.us> References: <20070706020200.GC2252@ifa.hawaii.edu> <20070706022548.GE17654@v.igoro.us> <1183726925.24646.38.camel@ShadowAerie> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1183726925.24646.38.camel@ShadowAerie> X-PGP-Key: http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~dustin/pubkey.txt User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: 4ce0354e-c130-4d82-bbb6-e12e42567eda X-Archives-Hash: 2902433bd0de3d22cfa980ce61070461 On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:02:05AM -0400, B. Nice wrote: > > I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to > > make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list. It's not > > exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo > > has. > Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation? I've Well, keep in mind that I run in what is probably a slightly different circle -- server admins. Gentoo has a *lot* to recommend it technically for administering a server -- fine-grained control, careful management of the upgrade path, transparency, extensibility, etc. But the cultural shift is painful when folks like me try to interact with the Gentoo user or developer community. I think I'm a fairly technically adept person (hey, I passed the ebuild quiz), yet several of my bugs have been blown off fairly rudely, by developers who had obviously not read the entire bug. Of course, interactions on IRC are even worse. The result is that I don't file bugs anymore -- I make a fixed local copy of the ebuild and call it a day. Since I can't recommend that my clients and employers do the same, I set them up with a RedHat-derived base system and then hand-compile the necessary software on top of that. By way of comparison, problems I have had with specific pieces of business-critical software (vs. with the distro) have been handled with professionalism and dignity. Maybe the problem is that Gentoo devs are *too* accessible, and aren't really given a choice in the matter. Does e.g., https://bugzilla.novell.com/ see the same level of activity as Gentoo's? I imagine that a lot of the grumpy devs would probably do well just sitting in the background and coding. Those are my musings.. Dustin P.S. I should add that the amd64 group does not seem to share these difficutlies -- this list is sometimes irreverent, but never insulting. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list