[gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia

[gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   I'm wondering what the best solutions are right now for a full
featured browser in GentooAMD64?

   I use a number of Investing web sites. Some of them won't even try
to run certain features telling me I'm on an unsupported OS. The ones
that do try to run the features seem to fail in one area or another.
Is it possible to make all 3 of these technologies work in a single
browser on AMD64?

1) Java
2) Flash
3) 32-bit streaming media?

   It seems that if I run firefox-bin I get most Flash and streaming
media, or at least as much as I think I need. However I definitely do
not get Java.

   It seems that if I run firefox compiled for 64-bit then Flash
doesn't work and I don't think all Java does either, or at least on my
system.

   I did for a while try playing with a 32-bit chroot but that was a
lot of work to use and keep up to date. I stopped using it. It's now
out of date and frankly I don't even remember how to start it anymore
but will go back to it if necessary.

   Here is a quick view of what's installed. If it's a question of USE
flags I'll post back more info if needed:

mark@lightning ~ $ eix -Ic firefox
[I] www-client/mozilla-firefox (2.0-r2@12/03/2006): Firefox Web Browser
[I] www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin (1.5.0.8@11/16/2006): Firefox Web Browser
Found 2 matches.
mark@lightning ~ $

mark@lightning ~ $ eix -Ic java
[I] app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-java (1.4.2.03-r1(1.4.2)@09/11/2006):
32bit version Sun's J2SE Development Kit
[I] dev-java/java-config (1.3.7@10/19/2006 2.0.30(2)@10/19/2006): Java
environment configuration tool
[I] dev-java/java-config-wrapper (0.12-r1@10/19/2006): Wrapper for java-config
Found 3 matches.
mark@lightning ~ $

mark@lightning ~ $ eix -Ic flash
[I] net-www/netscape-flash (9.0.21.78@12/02/2006): Adobe Flash Player
mark@lightning ~ $

Thanks in advance,
Mark
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia

[Jakob]

On 12/22/06, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you check out that site?
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-amd64-faq.xml

java (blackdown) did work for me on a compiled firefox for 64bit not
the -bin version.
as far as I know flash isnt working on a non-multilib system.
for 32-bit streaming media I 'm not sure I saw win32codecs testing for
amd64 yesterday, but I couldn't emerge vlc with the win32codec. I
emerged win32codecs alone an it woked for watching wmv movies. I dont
know if it will work for streamin/embeded videos, I didn't try.
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: AMD browsing and multimedia

[Duncan]

"Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> posted
5bdc1c8b0612221103r68621369h7bc2cb19da0e246a@mail.gmail.com, excerpted
below, on  Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:03:36 -0800:

> Is it possible to make all 3 of these technologies work in a single
> browser on AMD64?
> 
> 1) Java
> 2) Flash
> 3) 32-bit streaming media?
> 
>    It seems that if I run firefox-bin I get most Flash and streaming
> media, or at least as much as I think I need. However I definitely do
> not get Java.
> 
>    It seems that if I run firefox compiled for 64-bit then Flash
> doesn't work and I don't think all Java does either, or at least on my
> system.

Assuming you are willing to run unfree binaries as it seems you are (I'm
not), you need 32-bit firefox, which as you said then allows you to load
32-bit flash and etc.  

The problem you had with Java is likely because you have a 64-bit Java
installed.  You'll need a 32-bit Java installed. Again, while Sun as
announced the GPLing of Java, to my knowledge it's not yet available as
free software so I won't run it (I've honestly not had reason to try kaffe
and the like), so I can't help you with the details, but it's possible
there's a 32-bit binary version of it you can merge. 

The other problem with Java I've seen mentioned is that it sometimes can't
find the appropriate bitness version, so you have to point it at the
correct location.  That is said to work, but again, I don't have the
details, so you'll need to get them from others.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Friday 22 December 2006 13:03, "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@gmail.com> 
wrote about '[gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia':
> Hi,
>    I'm wondering what the best solutions are right now for a full
> featured browser in GentooAMD64?
>
>    I use a number of Investing web sites. Some of them won't even try
> to run certain features telling me I'm on an unsupported OS. The ones
> that do try to run the features seem to fail in one area or another.
> Is it possible to make all 3 of these technologies work in a single
> browser on AMD64?
>
> 1) Java
> 2) Flash
> 3) 32-bit streaming media?

#1 "Just works" for me on konqueror.  I believe the relevant USE flag is 
nsplugin.  I believe the relevant package is anything satisfying 
virtual/jre with the nsplugin USE flag non-binary.

#2 Adobe's flash doesn't work in 64-bit land, so you have to have  some 
32-bit compatibility layer.  At one time, that was as simple as using 
firefox-bin.  Even now, you can just do the whole system as x86 CHOST (is 
which case everything is 32-bit) or set up a 32-bit chroot 
(well-documented, but a little wasteful on disk space) or even use the 
un-supoorted package ported from debian that allows 64-bit konqueror to 
load 32-bit plugins.

#3 You'll have to be more specific.  The only media I've ever had problems 
with are Microsoft-specific, generally undocumented formats, and some of 
those even work now that we've got a reversed-engineered source-based 
implementation.  Standard media formats and, in particular, open media 
formats have always "just worked" for me, although they do often have an 
associated USE flag.

>    It seems that if I run firefox-bin I get most Flash and streaming
> media, or at least as much as I think I need. However I definitely do
> not get Java.

Try getting a 32-bit -bin jre/jdk.  It may provide a plugin (via the 
nsplugin USE flag) that can be symlinked to the correct place to work in 
your firefox-bin.

>    It seems that if I run firefox compiled for 64-bit then Flash
> doesn't work and I don't think all Java does either, or at least on my
> system.

Adobe's flash just doesn't work in 64-bit land.  You might try gnash 
though, it's just as much of a memory and CPU hog, and it certainly 
allowed websites to annoy the !@#$% out of me with ads the few days I had 
it installed.  That is, it did work as a flash player (mostly); it was not 
able to play items from YouTube, so I just don't watch YouTube.

HTH

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[gentoo-amd64] Re: AMD browsing and multimedia

[Jack Cuyler]

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:41:43 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> Adobe's flash just doesn't work in 64-bit land.  You might try gnash 
> though, it's just as much of a memory and CPU hog, and it certainly 
> allowed websites to annoy the !@#$% out of me with ads the few days I had 
> it installed.  That is, it did work as a flash player (mostly); it was not 
> able to play items from YouTube, so I just don't watch YouTube.

net-www/nspluginwrapper
     Available versions:  (~)0.9.90.3 (~)0.9.90.4
     Homepage:            http://www.gibix.net/projects/nspluginwrapper/
     Description:         Netscape Plugin Wrapper - Load 32bit plugins 
                          on 64bit browser



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Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD browsing and multimedia

[Marc Redmann]

> That is, it did work as a flash player (mostly); it was not
> able to play items from YouTube, so I just don't watch YouTube.

I tend to download YouTube videos that I want to watch with the Ook Video Ook 
Firefox extension and then play the downloaded video with mplayer or vlc 
(both players make use of ffmpeg, therefore they can play flv files)

brgds, Marc

		
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