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Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:
From: Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com>
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Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted
all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and
setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a
mail server?
-Peter
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 00:08 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> posted
> 1160322174.2818.6.camel@localhost.localdomain, excerpted below, on Sun,
> 08 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400:
>
> > You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as
> > your personal e-mail? I've heard people saying it's evil, and that google
> > is fascist, but I don't really know what to believe. Personally I like the
> > features that gmail offers, and I think it's great that it stores all my
> > mail ever sent so I can access my old e-mails still if my hard drive gets
> > wiped (which happens accidentally or not every month or so). Thoughts?
>
> For me (as it would seem the OP), it's the whole privacy thing. Google
> mines the data to serve ads, and associates that with your search profile
> as well (same google-wide master cookie, if I'm not mistaken). While
> supposedly no one ever looks at that, only machines, corporate policies
> can and do change. As well, if the data is there, it is subject to search
> warrant or with Bush run rampant over civil liberties, now with little or
> no control whatsoever -- all they have to do is say it's national security
> related to grab any existing records, pretty much, and it's getting worse,
> not better.
>
> Yes, there's the same deal to some extent with any mail, specifically
> anything that's not encrypted, even if both ends run their own servers,
> because it travels over the public internet and is subject to logging
> there. However, as I mentioned, I don't like the whole web interface
> thing that much either, and then there's the whole thing with the same
> company holding the search profile as well. As it is, I don't do cookies
> from Google as they are (with most of the rest of the net) set for no
> cookies (or session-only) by default. If google has a search profile on
> me, it's by IP only, and that changes. To get the link, they'd need to
> talk to my ISP, and while government can do that, one would hope google
> wouldn't be able to get that info from the ISP.
>
> So it's a personal privacy thing. No big deal for me tho as I never did
> their mail in the first place, so I just don't start. As for others, it's
> up to them. What they choose to do is their business.
>
> --
> Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
>
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