[gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[Jason Booth]

Hi. I'm new to the list, although not new to gentoo. I am new to amd64 (3 
weeks). I don't really have any questions yet; I actually want to join this 
list to help, as well as learn because I am new to 64 bit.
I do have some comments though: I have had a hard time joining this list 
because of the off-topic siliness and nonsense. I think there are very 
intelligent people here (including me) that don't need to waste their time on 
questions that are irrellevant, silly, way off-topic, and frankly, BELOW US.

I learned about off-topicness in gentoo-user, when I was off topic, discovered 
I was a prick, and apologised because I can be a total prick when I think I'm 
right (which, of course, is always the case). 

Anyways, hello, 
cheers,
and...
let's go somewhere with this.

~J


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[benedikt]

Am Sonntag, den 08.10.2006, 02:02 -0600 schrieb Jason Booth:
> hello, 
> cheers,
> and... 

hello, 
cheers,
and...
and grez from germany

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[Jason Booth]

On Sunday 08 October 2006 02:03, benedikt wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 08.10.2006, 02:02 -0600 schrieb Jason Booth:
> > hello,
> > cheers,
> > and...
>
> hello,
> cheers,
> and...
> and grez from germany
thank you, bot or not...
And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes shaky 
satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as my users, 
especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a non-encrypted 
partition with strangers having access. That being said, sometimes I answer 
things that were answered an hour ago and look like a total fool. I'm a total 
fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver issues. Please have a little 
patience for this.... thanks,
Jason

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[benedikt]

for me everything is ok, have a fine day ;)
Am Sonntag, den 08.10.2006, 02:29 -0600 schrieb Jason Booth:
> 
> And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a
> sometimes shaky 
> satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as my
> users, 
> especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a
> non-encrypted 
> partition with strangers having access. That being said, sometimes I
> answer 
> things that were answered an hour ago and look like a total fool. I'm
> a total 
> fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver issues. Please have a
> little 
> patience for this.... thanks, 

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[Daniel Iliev]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:29:46 -0600
Jason Booth <jbooth@hyperintelligent.net> wrote:

> On Sunday 08 October 2006 02:03, benedikt wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, den 08.10.2006, 02:02 -0600 schrieb Jason Booth:
> > > hello,
> > > cheers,
> > > and...
> >
> > hello,
> > cheers,
> > and...
> > and grez from germany
> thank you, bot or not...
> And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes shaky 
> satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as my users, 
> especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a non-encrypted 
> partition with strangers having access. That being said, sometimes I answer 
> things that were answered an hour ago and look like a total fool. I'm a total 
> fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver issues. Please have a little 
> patience for this.... thanks,
> Jason
> 


First things first: CHEERS! ;-)

About the timeouts:
I have the same problem with the timeouts. Sometimes I answer to an already answered message because the replies hadn't reached me in time. (which makes me look and feel stupid)
Sometimes I send my reply then see someone answered "before" me but at the end my reply appears first.(so perhaps the other replier might feel bad) This is annoying but I learned to live with it. I think and hope everyone on the lists understands the cause of this effect (some mails go through slower routes than others) and no one would blame anyone about this.


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Re: [gentoo-amd64] newcomer:

[Jason Booth]

On Sunday 08 October 2006 03:02, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> First things first: CHEERS! ;-)
yes...
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Duncan]

Jason Booth <jbooth@hyperintelligent.net> posted
200610080229.46491.jbooth@hyperintelligent.net, excerpted below, on  Sun,
08 Oct 2006 02:29:46 -0600:

> thank you, bot or not...
> And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes
> shaky satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as
> my users, especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a
> non-encrypted partition with strangers having access. That being said,
> sometimes I answer things that were answered an hour ago and look like a
> total fool. I'm a total fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver
> issues. Please have a little patience for this.... thanks,

Not a problem.  One of the neat things about mailing lists (and
newsgroups) is that often there will be multiple answers.  That's fine, as
everybody emphasizes different things and has different styles.  My
answers tend to be long and explain the background, teaching the ideas
behind the solution so one can fix similar problems on their own if they
see them again.  Others answer only the immediate question, in two
sentences.  The great thing is that the person asking (and anybody else
reading who hadn't asked but didn't yet know) gets to choose the reply
that works best for them.

As for OT "crap".  Same thing there.  As Simon Stelling said earlier, if
it's of no concern to you or bothers you, simply killfile that topic.  If a
particular poster consistently irritates you, simply killfile his posts.

Also, since you mentioned an inconsistent mail feed, perhaps this will be
of use to you.  I and a number of others participate in this group not
using mail, but as a newsgroup, using the services of gmane.org's
list2news gateway.  That's a better interface for me.  gmane also has a
web interface, presenting the list as a web forum, if that suits you
better than either the standard mail interface or gmane's news interface. 
Others use gmail for their public lists, figuring it's a widely circulated
public list anyway, so whatever gmail may profile from the list posts is
fine with them.  Given your statements about mail, that may not sit well
with you, just as using gmail for personal mail doesn't sit well AT ALL
with me.  However, I'd be open to using it for a list such as this, except
that I don't particularly like either web forums or webmail.  Anyway, just
letting you know a few of the other options out there.  Which option you
choose is up to you. =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Peter Davoust]

You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail
as your personal e-mail? I've heard people saying it's evil, and that
google is fascist, but I don't really know what to believe. Personally I
like the features that gmail offers, and I think it's great that it
stores all my mail ever sent so I can access my old e-mails still if my
hard drive gets wiped (which happens accidentally or not every month or
so). Thoughts? 

-Peter
On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 10:51 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Jason Booth <jbooth@hyperintelligent.net> posted
> 200610080229.46491.jbooth@hyperintelligent.net, excerpted below, on  Sun,
> 08 Oct 2006 02:29:46 -0600:
> 
> > thank you, bot or not...
> > And I must apologize in advance: I run my mailserver off of a sometimes
> > shaky satellite connection. I won't change this, until I have a colo, as
> > my users, especially myself, will not be subjected to mail stored on a
> > non-encrypted partition with strangers having access. That being said,
> > sometimes I answer things that were answered an hour ago and look like a
> > total fool. I'm a total fool for sure, but this is due to mailserver
> > issues. Please have a little patience for this.... thanks,
> 
> Not a problem.  One of the neat things about mailing lists (and
> newsgroups) is that often there will be multiple answers.  That's fine, as
> everybody emphasizes different things and has different styles.  My
> answers tend to be long and explain the background, teaching the ideas
> behind the solution so one can fix similar problems on their own if they
> see them again.  Others answer only the immediate question, in two
> sentences.  The great thing is that the person asking (and anybody else
> reading who hadn't asked but didn't yet know) gets to choose the reply
> that works best for them.
> 
> As for OT "crap".  Same thing there.  As Simon Stelling said earlier, if
> it's of no concern to you or bothers you, simply killfile that topic.  If a
> particular poster consistently irritates you, simply killfile his posts.
> 
> Also, since you mentioned an inconsistent mail feed, perhaps this will be
> of use to you.  I and a number of others participate in this group not
> using mail, but as a newsgroup, using the services of gmane.org's
> list2news gateway.  That's a better interface for me.  gmane also has a
> web interface, presenting the list as a web forum, if that suits you
> better than either the standard mail interface or gmane's news interface. 
> Others use gmail for their public lists, figuring it's a widely circulated
> public list anyway, so whatever gmail may profile from the list posts is
> fine with them.  Given your statements about mail, that may not sit well
> with you, just as using gmail for personal mail doesn't sit well AT ALL
> with me.  However, I'd be open to using it for a list such as this, except
> that I don't particularly like either web forums or webmail.  Anyway, just
> letting you know a few of the other options out there.  Which option you
> choose is up to you. =8^)
> 
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> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman
> 

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Richard Freeman]

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Peter Davoust wrote:
> You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail
> as your personal e-mail? 

For me it is a couple of things - one is that I prefer to have email
addresses that I can keep that are not client-dependent.  Sure, right
now gmail allows POP3 access, but that could change some day.  Plus,
some day if gmail's spam filters become lousy I don't need to
redistribute new email addresses to everybody I know.

As far as their saving messages go - I've got an IMAP store with just
about every email I've ever sent (well, at least since I started
understanding what I was doing and had PPP/SLIP access to the net).
Gmail might offer the same right now, but down the road if they have a
glitch and lose your email you won't have much recourse (you get what
you pay for).

I just keep all my mail in an IMAP store, and I can try any mail client
I want anytime I want.  I can use thunderbird over vnc over ssh
remotely, or if that lags too much I can just use squirrelmail or
something like that.  I could even open up my IMAP server to the world
and use gmail to read my IMAP mail I suppose (I assume gmail handles
IMAP on other servers).  After all the sylpheed-claws talk a few days
ago I emerged it, tried it out, and now I'm back on thunderbird after
tweaking it.  The nice thing about open standards is that you aren't
married to anything - even if it is something good at the moment.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Peter Davoust]

That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an
IMAP share. Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail
address like something@customdomain.com), don't you have to buy a domain
name for that?

-Peter
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> Peter Davoust wrote:
> > You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail
> > as your personal e-mail? 
> 
> For me it is a couple of things - one is that I prefer to have email
> addresses that I can keep that are not client-dependent.  Sure, right
> now gmail allows POP3 access, but that could change some day.  Plus,
> some day if gmail's spam filters become lousy I don't need to
> redistribute new email addresses to everybody I know.
> 
> As far as their saving messages go - I've got an IMAP store with just
> about every email I've ever sent (well, at least since I started
> understanding what I was doing and had PPP/SLIP access to the net).
> Gmail might offer the same right now, but down the road if they have a
> glitch and lose your email you won't have much recourse (you get what
> you pay for).
> 
> I just keep all my mail in an IMAP store, and I can try any mail client
> I want anytime I want.  I can use thunderbird over vnc over ssh
> remotely, or if that lags too much I can just use squirrelmail or
> something like that.  I could even open up my IMAP server to the world
> and use gmail to read my IMAP mail I suppose (I assume gmail handles
> IMAP on other servers).  After all the sylpheed-claws talk a few days
> ago I emerged it, tried it out, and now I'm back on thunderbird after
> tweaking it.  The nice thing about open standards is that you aren't
> married to anything - even if it is something good at the moment.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Richard Freeman]

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Peter Davoust wrote:
> That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an
> IMAP share. 

If you have your mail in a .maildir then it is as simple as emerging
courier-imap.  If not, it is still just as easy - just set up your IMAP
folder which will be empty, open it from your existing mail client, and
copy your folders over wholesale.


> Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail
> address like something@customdomain.com), don't you have to buy a domain
> name for that?
> 

Well, you can just use fetchmail to get your mail from some other
source, but domain names only cost $8/year or so - not a big deal.
There are a billion mail redirection services who will simply forward
mail for that domain to an address that you specify, which you can then
fetch into your IMAP store.  Or, if you have a static IP or set up
dynamic DNS you can run your own mail server.

Sure, not internet 101, but you can scale the approach to your desired
level of sophistication and still have the benefits of an IMAP folder store.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Peter Davoust]

That's great! I'll try it when I get a chance. Right now I'm using
Fedora so I can study for the RHCE exam, but I'm probably going to get
back to Gentoo soon. 

-Peter
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> Peter Davoust wrote:
> > That's a good point, but I'm not really sure how to setup or even use an
> > IMAP share. 
> 
> If you have your mail in a .maildir then it is as simple as emerging
> courier-imap.  If not, it is still just as easy - just set up your IMAP
> folder which will be empty, open it from your existing mail client, and
> copy your folders over wholesale.
> 
> 
> > Also, (I assume you're talking about setting up an e-mail
> > address like something@customdomain.com), don't you have to buy a domain
> > name for that?
> > 
> 
> Well, you can just use fetchmail to get your mail from some other
> source, but domain names only cost $8/year or so - not a big deal.
> There are a billion mail redirection services who will simply forward
> mail for that domain to an address that you specify, which you can then
> fetch into your IMAP store.  Or, if you have a static IP or set up
> dynamic DNS you can run your own mail server.
> 
> Sure, not internet 101, but you can scale the approach to your desired
> level of sophistication and still have the benefits of an IMAP folder store.
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Duncan]

Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> posted
1160322174.2818.6.camel@localhost.localdomain, excerpted below, on  Sun,
08 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400:

> You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as
> your personal e-mail? I've heard people saying it's evil, and that google
> is fascist, but I don't really know what to believe. Personally I like the
> features that gmail offers, and I think it's great that it stores all my
> mail ever sent so I can access my old e-mails still if my hard drive gets
> wiped (which happens accidentally or not every month or so). Thoughts?

For me (as it would seem the OP), it's the whole privacy thing.  Google
mines the data to serve ads, and associates that with your search profile
as well (same google-wide master cookie, if I'm not mistaken).  While
supposedly no one ever looks at that, only machines, corporate policies
can and do change.  As well, if the data is there, it is subject to search
warrant or with Bush run rampant over civil liberties, now with little or
no control whatsoever -- all they have to do is say it's national security
related to grab any existing records, pretty much, and it's getting worse,
not better.

Yes, there's the same deal to some extent with any mail, specifically
anything that's not encrypted, even if both ends run their own servers,
because it travels over the public internet and is subject to logging
there.  However, as I mentioned, I don't like the whole web interface
thing that much either, and then there's the whole thing with the same
company holding the search profile as well.  As it is, I don't do cookies
from Google as they are (with most of the rest of the net) set for no
cookies (or session-only) by default.  If google has a search profile on
me, it's by IP only, and that changes.  To get the link, they'd need to
talk to my ISP, and while government can do that, one would hope google
wouldn't be able to get that info from the ISP.

So it's a personal privacy thing.  No big deal for me tho as I never did
their mail in the first place, so I just don't start.  As for others, it's
up to them.  What they choose to do is their business.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Peter Davoust]

Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted
all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and
setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a
mail server?

-Peter
On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 00:08 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> posted
> 1160322174.2818.6.camel@localhost.localdomain, excerpted below, on  Sun,
> 08 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400:
> 
> > You bring up an issue I wanted to ask about: Why wouldn't you use gmail as
> > your personal e-mail? I've heard people saying it's evil, and that google
> > is fascist, but I don't really know what to believe. Personally I like the
> > features that gmail offers, and I think it's great that it stores all my
> > mail ever sent so I can access my old e-mails still if my hard drive gets
> > wiped (which happens accidentally or not every month or so). Thoughts?
> 
> For me (as it would seem the OP), it's the whole privacy thing.  Google
> mines the data to serve ads, and associates that with your search profile
> as well (same google-wide master cookie, if I'm not mistaken).  While
> supposedly no one ever looks at that, only machines, corporate policies
> can and do change.  As well, if the data is there, it is subject to search
> warrant or with Bush run rampant over civil liberties, now with little or
> no control whatsoever -- all they have to do is say it's national security
> related to grab any existing records, pretty much, and it's getting worse,
> not better.
> 
> Yes, there's the same deal to some extent with any mail, specifically
> anything that's not encrypted, even if both ends run their own servers,
> because it travels over the public internet and is subject to logging
> there.  However, as I mentioned, I don't like the whole web interface
> thing that much either, and then there's the whole thing with the same
> company holding the search profile as well.  As it is, I don't do cookies
> from Google as they are (with most of the rest of the net) set for no
> cookies (or session-only) by default.  If google has a search profile on
> me, it's by IP only, and that changes.  To get the link, they'd need to
> talk to my ISP, and while government can do that, one would hope google
> wouldn't be able to get that info from the ISP.
> 
> So it's a personal privacy thing.  No big deal for me tho as I never did
> their mail in the first place, so I just don't start.  As for others, it's
> up to them.  What they choose to do is their business.
> 
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[gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Duncan]

Peter Davoust <worldgnat@gmail.com> posted
1160353054.22548.14.camel@localhost.localdomain, excerpted below, on  Sun,
08 Oct 2006 20:17:33 -0400:

> Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted
> all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and
> setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a
> mail server?

FWIW, I use konqueror as my default browser and have it set to accept
session cookies by default -- but those are deleted when konqueror exits
so don't stay around long.  Konqueror has a default cookie option, but
allows different policies for individual sites.  My default (other than
for session cookies) is don't allow, but I do have a few sites I do allow
them on -- my bank's site, for example, for online banking, and  LWN.org
(Linux Weekly News) so I can post article followups using my account there.

Konqueror has similar settings for Java (which I don't have any version of
merged as most are slaveryware, and I've not needed it enough to bother
with the freedomware versions), and javascript, which again I keep off by
default, but allow for a very few specific sites, including my bank.  It
also has a plugin (part of konq-plugins in kdeaddons I'm guessing) that
allows me to one-shot quick-switch both the cookie and the scripting
settings and reload a page if it doesn't work without it.  That's fairly
often required for scripting, as many sites require it nowdays.  However,
even with scripting enabled, konqueror has finer security settings on what
it is allowed to do (like popups yes/no/ask, etc), and those too have a
general default with per-site exceptions available where needed.

I'm guessing Firefox (which I don't have merged) has similar per-site
options, altho it's possible you need an extension for full control.

...

As for mail servers, I don't know enough on the subject to be worth
posting on, so I won't.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Richard Freeman]

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Peter Davoust wrote:
> Well, that was also an enlightening e-mail. I just disabled and deleted
> all cookies in Firefox, and now I'm going to do as Richard described and
> setup my own e-mail account. Any good ideas/howto's about how to setup a
> mail server?
> 

Well, I'm guessing you don't have much background, so your first
objective will probably be to ease yourself into this without getting
innundanted and losing all your email for a week due to some glitch.

I'd SLOWLY go through the following steps:

1.  Get a basic mail server running on your system - you generally need
one anyway if only so that cron jobs and such can send mail to your root
account.  This will be internal-only.

2.  Play around with sending mail to yourself locally - just to get a
feel for things.

3.  Get an IMAP server running - and then try viewing your play mail
through it using thunderbird/kmail/whatever.

4.  Set up fetchmail to retrieve your real mail and forward it to you.
You can use an appropriate option at first so that it only copies your
mail and you can still use gmail/etc on the side.

5.  Set up your mailserver to send outgoing mail - probably via your ISP
(you can just send it directly but if you have a dynamic IP you might
get spamfiltered by the big players).  This can be a little tricky.

6.  Start using your local mail in production - send your mail from this
box and read it from the IMAP store.  You still have your email saved at
gmail in case anything goes wrong.

7.  Experiment with procmail/spamassassin/clamav/etc.  Again, a good
time to do this is when you won't risk losing mail.

8.  Go ahead and cut the umbilical cord if you want.

9.  Look into setting up a dynamic DNS and set up your own incoming
mailserver.  Play with that for a while before advertising your new address.

10.  Tell the world about your new address.

If you only get up to step 5/6 or so you'll realize most of the
benefits, and you'll learn a ton.  If you take your time you won't end
up in any frustrating situations.

There are a ton of howtos out there gentoo and otherwise.  I'd probably
recommend the following setup:

postfix as a mail server - powerful but basically works out of the box
and is comprehensible.

courier-imap as an IMAP server.  There is also dovecot but I've run into
issues with it.

Use maildir-style mailboxes.  They have a number of advantages and are
well supported.

Use fetchmail to retrieve your mail to your local account.  This is a
very powerful program and pretty simple to set up.  Run it as a cron-job
once you've gotten it working.

Once you are ready for the next step clamav is a good virus scanner,
spamassassin works well as a junk filter, and procmail is good for mail
sorting/autoreplying/etc.

If you just did an emerge postfix courier-imap you'd probably be able to
fumble with config files and get yourself running surprisingly fast.  A
good starting point is:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml

It is massive overkill - take it one step at a time and unless you're
running an ISP I wouldn't bother with mysql or anything like that.

Keep in mind that you don't REALLY need to run your own mail server, so
take your time and have fun with it.  You'll learn a lot about SMTP in
the process.  And don't open your mail server to the outside world until
you are sure it won't relay spam - or you WILL find yourself in this
position.  There are a ton of open-relay test sites out there which will
let you test yourself out.

Good luck!
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[David Guerizec]

Hello,

Le mardi 10 octobre 2006 01:20, Richard Freeman a écrit :
> 8.  Go ahead and cut the umbilical cord if you want.

I'd personaly put this point after 9.

> 9.  Look into setting up a dynamic DNS and set up your own incoming
> mailserver.  Play with that for a while before advertising your new
> address.

If you have a static IP, you can also buy a domain name (I'm personaly glad 
with gandi.net and wouldn't change for anything else).
Then you can host your domain at a DNS provider (xname.org is free and really 
easy to use). All you need to do is to declare an A record with a name 
pointing to your IP address, then add an MX for your domain pointing on the 
name, ie.:

mail.mydomain.tld. IN A    11.22.33.44
mydomain.tld.      IN MX 5 mail.mydomain.tld.

There are tons of docs out there on how to set up a domain.

> 10.  Tell the world about your new address.

and last but not least:

11. Profit!

Regards,

David

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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Richard Freeman]

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David Guerizec wrote:
> If you have a static IP, you can also buy a domain name (I'm personaly glad 
> with gandi.net and wouldn't change for anything else).

FYI - you can also do this with a static IP - you just need to contract
with a DNS service that supports dynamic DNS.  Namecheap.com works fine
for this (although their minimum TTL is a little high for dynamic DNS).
 I'd also arrange for backup MX - such as with dnsmadeasy.  Then if your
IP is unreachable or you're offline you don't lose any mail or make list
admins angry.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: newcomer:

[Drew]

> > 10.  Tell the world about your new address.
>
> and last but not least:
>
> 11. Profit!

Is this anything like the underpants gnome method of success? Because
it kinda feels like it. :-)


-Andrew
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