From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GVJr9-0005kl-9s for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:25:07 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k953NFo7002678; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 03:23:15 GMT Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k953NEeB026384 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 03:23:14 GMT Received: from scarlatti.leonora.org (c-71-202-97-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.202.97.79]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061005032313012002ff0le>; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 03:23:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Thread-hijacking (was: Re: [gentoo-amd64] How to play flac files?) From: "Vladimir G. Ivanovic" To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200610041429.03312.bss03@volumehost.net> References: <200610030946.31015.gentoo@appjaws.plus.com> <20061004084932.666CB1A006DB4@mail.ilievnet.com> <1159979122.12678.18.camel@scarlatti.leonora.org> <200610041429.03312.bss03@volumehost.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-MZHO3OrB9oicjhqG3Tda" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:23:13 -0700 Message-Id: <1160018593.12546.8.camel@scarlatti.leonora.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 X-Archives-Salt: 0d991382-8385-4b7f-bdf8-652ddca6ddbf X-Archives-Hash: 6d8cbeec05cabbad6205300c988e4834 --=-MZHO3OrB9oicjhqG3Tda Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 14:28 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 04 October 2006 11:25, "Vladimir G. Ivanovic" > wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] How to play flac > files?': > > Agreed, but my mail reader (Evolution) shows his subject to be "How to > > play flac files?" which is a new subject. My mail reader shows Patric's > > original email to be a sub-thread of a previous email with a different > > subject, but I would say that this is a bug in Evolution, not that > > hijacking has occurred. > > That's the very *definition* of highjacking. There's a specific header > ('References', IIRC) that is used to indicate what thread a message is > part of. This is for various reasons, but mostly because matching subject > doesn't give you full information about the tree structure of the thread, > and attempting to match quoted text can lead to madness. > > While some mail clients provide subject based threading, it is not the > correct way to indicate a message is threaded. Subject-based threading is > generally only useful to work around mail clients that do not properly add > a 'References' header (or whatever header you are supposed to use, I don't > remember, ATM). > About, oh, 99.9% of the world's email users wouldn't have any idea of what we're talking about. The notion that emails with different subjects would be part of the same thread would strike them as, expressing it politely, interesting. ---- Vladimir -- Vladimir G. Ivanovic --=-MZHO3OrB9oicjhqG3Tda Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 14:28 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: 
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 11:25, "Vladimir G. Ivanovic" 
<vgivanovic@comcast.net> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-amd64] How to play flac 
files?':
> Agreed, but my mail reader (Evolution) shows his subject to be "How to
> play flac files?" which is a new subject. My mail reader shows Patric's
> original email to be a sub-thread of a previous email with a different
> subject, but I would say that this is a bug in Evolution, not that
> hijacking has occurred.

That's the very *definition* of highjacking.  There's a specific header 
('References', IIRC) that is used to indicate what thread a message is 
part of.  This is for various reasons, but mostly because matching subject 
doesn't give you full information about the tree structure of the thread, 
and attempting to match quoted text can lead to madness.

While some mail clients provide subject based threading, it is not the 
correct way to indicate a message is threaded.  Subject-based threading is 
generally only useful to work around mail clients that do not properly add 
a 'References' header (or whatever header you are supposed to use, I don't 
remember, ATM).
About, oh, 99.9% of the world's email users wouldn't have any idea of what we're talking about. The notion that emails with different subjects would be part of the same thread would strike them as, expressing it politely, interesting.

---- Vladimir

--
Vladimir G. Ivanovic <vgivanovic@comcast.net>
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