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[Ben]

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Simon Stelling]

We can't help you either if you just post it another time.

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Drew Kirkpatrick]

I dunno, I kinda of like it. Short and sweet. Could be a more general
cry for help my friends, maybe Ben is going through a hard time right
now. Can we get a group hug for Ben? Come on folks, where's that 64
bit goodness now? The open source community? Everyone needs a shoulder
to cry on from time to time...


(sorry, finals week, sleep deprived)

On 8/12/05, Simon Stelling <blubb@gentoo.org> wrote:
> We can't help you either if you just post it another time.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[phil]

Come on tell us your problems Gentoo users are nice people :)


On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 07:38 -0500, Drew Kirkpatrick wrote:
> I dunno, I kinda of like it. Short and sweet. Could be a more general
> cry for help my friends, maybe Ben is going through a hard time right
> now. Can we get a group hug for Ben? Come on folks, where's that 64
> bit goodness now? The open source community? Everyone needs a shoulder
> to cry on from time to time...
> 
> 
> (sorry, finals week, sleep deprived)
> 
> On 8/12/05, Simon Stelling <blubb@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > We can't help you either if you just post it another time.
> > 
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> > Gentoo/AMD64 Operational Co-Lead
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> > 
> >
> 

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Dice R. Random]

$5 says he's trying to get help from the mailer daemon on how to unsubscribe.

Ben: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[felix]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 03:11:34PM -0700, Dice R. Random wrote:
> $5 says he's trying to get help from the mailer daemon on how to unsubscribe.

Here's the answer to that, just in case he's reading the thread ...

Here's how to unsubscribe:

First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an Unsubscribing Kit.
Then follow these directions.

The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. Depending on
requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When operating
System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will be
dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you have
fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large "X"
outlet hose. Twist the silver-coloured ring one inch below the
connection point until you feel it lock.

The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is activated by the
small switch on the lip.  When securing, twist the ring back to its
initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet.  Disconnect.
Place the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear.
Activate by pressing the blue button.

The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. The red
release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can be
adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release
button. The opening is self-adjusting. To secure after use, press the
green button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and
returns the Cin-Eliminator to its storage position.

You may log off if the green exit light is on over the evaporator.  If
the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator requirements
has not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call button on
the right of the evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his
control panel.

To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your clothes in the
clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the cabinet
immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with
you. On the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will
see a "Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then
be illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the
desired setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe
normally.

The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes unless
you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. When
you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release
button. The door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro
slippers and place them in their container.

If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the indicated blue
button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A & B. The
knob to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, low,
medium or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested.

After these settings have been made, you can activate the device by
switching to the "ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If
during the unsubscribing operation you wish to change the settings,
place the "manual off" override switch in the "OFF" position. You may
now make the change and repeat the cycle. When the green exit light
goes on, you may log off and have lunch. Please close the door behind
you.


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[David Burkinshaw]

[gentoo-amd64]

[Joshua Hoblitt]

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Ahem... I think you missed your queue.

-J

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Dustin J. Mitchell]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 04:02:00PM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
> <dustin@v.igoro.us>
> Cc:
> Bcc: 
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] unsubscribe
> Reply-To: 
> In-Reply-To: <468CBF77.1010301@my-next-home.de>
> 
> Ahem... I think you missed your queue.

Sorry -- I hadn't had my coffee yet.

I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to
make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list.  It's not
exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo
has.

Dustin
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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[B. Nice]

On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 21:25 -0500, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 04:02:00PM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
> > <dustin@v.igoro.us>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc: 
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-amd64] unsubscribe
> > Reply-To: 
> > In-Reply-To: <468CBF77.1010301@my-next-home.de>
> > 
> > Ahem... I think you missed your queue.
> 
> Sorry -- I hadn't had my coffee yet.
> 
> I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to
> make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list.  It's not
> exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo
> has.
> 
> Dustin
Way off topic, but since there is none for this I don't feel too bad.

Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation?  I've
come across just as many fanatics using other distros (Debian and
Slackware come to mind) as I have using Gentoo.  Granted the fanatics
can be irritating, but I've noticed that if you respect their opinion,
even if you don't agree, they have useful information to share.  
Gentoo has better documentation, IMNSHO, then most other non-commercial
distros do.  The only better documentation I've come across was with
SuSE 8.2, a commercial distro, with paid tech writers and editors (I
can't really comment on what the documentation is like in post-Novell
iterations).  To be honest, the quality wasn't that much better then
Gentoo.  
Being as uninterested with the developer politics as I am, I know that
there has been a turn over in developers for what sounds like
inter-personal reasons.  But that is normal on any large project where
people who care about what they are doing are working.  It's human
nature to get emotionally involved in your view and it causes excessive
bad feelings if/when your idea is overruled.  
It could be the ricers giving Gentoo a bad name, but you have ricers
trying to uber-optimize pretty much anything.  Maybe they are just more
vocal about it with a source-based distro then a binary distro.  
It is very unlikely that it's caused by the people manning the IRC
channels or who partake in the forums.  With a very few rare exceptions
that are easily ignored, the people are uniformly helpful, knowledgeable
and willing to assist even the most bone-headed of people (I fall into
the bone-headed variety myself.. ;-) )  

Just wanted to get that thought out there for the rest of the list.
It's true Gentoo is not the be all and end all of distros.  But is
definitely doesn't deserve any special note for doing things badly.

^^ShadowHawk^^

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Dustin J. Mitchell]

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:02:05AM -0400, B. Nice wrote:
> > I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to
> > make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list.  It's not
> > exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo
> > has.
> Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation?  I've

Well, keep in mind that I run in what is probably a slightly different
circle -- server admins.

Gentoo has a *lot* to recommend it technically for administering a
server -- fine-grained control, careful management of the upgrade path,
transparency, extensibility, etc.

But the cultural shift is painful when folks like me try to interact
with the Gentoo user or developer community.  I think I'm a fairly
technically adept person (hey, I passed the ebuild quiz), yet several of
my bugs have been blown off fairly rudely, by developers who had
obviously not read the entire bug.  Of course, interactions on IRC are
even worse.  

The result is that I don't file bugs anymore -- I make a fixed local
copy of the ebuild and call it a day.  Since I can't recommend that my
clients and employers do the same, I set them up with a RedHat-derived
base system and then hand-compile the necessary software on top of that.

By way of comparison, problems I have had with specific pieces of
business-critical software (vs. with the distro) have been handled with
professionalism and dignity.

Maybe the problem is that Gentoo devs are *too* accessible, and aren't
really given a choice in the matter.  Does e.g.,
https://bugzilla.novell.com/ see the same level of activity as Gentoo's?
I imagine that a lot of the grumpy devs would probably do well just
sitting in the background and coding.

Those are my musings..

Dustin

P.S. I should add that the amd64 group does not seem to share these
difficutlies -- this list is sometimes irreverent, but never insulting.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Beso]

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2007/7/6, Dustin J. Mitchell <dustin@v.igoro.us>:
>
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:02:05AM -0400, B. Nice wrote:
> > > I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to
> > > make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list.  It's not
> > > exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that
> Gentoo
> > > has.
> > Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation?  I've
>
> Well, keep in mind that I run in what is probably a slightly different
> circle -- server admins.
>
> Gentoo has a *lot* to recommend it technically for administering a
> server -- fine-grained control, careful management of the upgrade path,
> transparency, extensibility, etc.
>
> But the cultural shift is painful when folks like me try to interact
> with the Gentoo user or developer community.  I think I'm a fairly
> technically adept person (hey, I passed the ebuild quiz), yet several of
> my bugs have been blown off fairly rudely, by developers who had
> obviously not read the entire bug.  Of course, interactions on IRC are
> even worse.


this is the thing that i hate.... if you get a bug you should test if it
will come when you have the entire system from the stable branch and see if
it happens also there....

The result is that I don't file bugs anymore -- I make a fixed local
> copy of the ebuild and call it a day.  Since I can't recommend that my
> clients and employers do the same, I set them up with a RedHat-derived
> base system and then hand-compile the necessary software on top of that.
>
> By way of comparison, problems I have had with specific pieces of
> business-critical software (vs. with the distro) have been handled with
> professionalism and dignity.
>
> Maybe the problem is that Gentoo devs are *too* accessible, and aren't
> really given a choice in the matter.  Does e.g.,
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/ see the same level of activity as Gentoo's?
> I imagine that a lot of the grumpy devs would probably do well just
> sitting in the background and coding.


the novell bugzilla has not very much activity because the commercial
version has paid support and because novell commercial systems are pretty
good in terms of bugs.... ok, they are a little backward with the software
versioning, but their commercial versions are really great pieces of
stability.... for what i have experienced by using for quite some time suse
and opensuse lately, that distribution is the best fast install and use
linux distro existing.... and then there is gentoo that is very good for
tuning your pc.... all the others that i've tryied (from fedora, to
archlinux, to ubuntu, kubuntu, debian and others) suck!!!! if you want a
quick install linux distro with great support and lot of features get
opensuse, and if you want a great personal machine optimized linux distro
get gentoo or sabayon (the last one i'll have to try it out)....

Those are my musings..
>
> Dustin
>
> P.S. I should add that the amd64 group does not seem to share these
> difficutlies -- this list is sometimes irreverent, but never insulting.
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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Gavin Seddon]

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Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:02:05AM -0400, B. Nice wrote:
>>> I also feel a little guilty that my only contribution as an AT is to
>>> make fun of people trying to unsubscribe from the list.  It's not
>>> exactly productive, and only serves to reinforce the bad rep that Gentoo
>>> has.
>> Where do people get the idea that Gentoo has a bad reputation?  I've
> 
> Well, keep in mind that I run in what is probably a slightly different
> circle -- server admins.
> 
> Gentoo has a *lot* to recommend it technically for administering a
> server -- fine-grained control, careful management of the upgrade path,
> transparency, extensibility, etc.
> 
> But the cultural shift is painful when folks like me try to interact
> with the Gentoo user or developer community.  I think I'm a fairly
> technically adept person (hey, I passed the ebuild quiz), yet several of
> my bugs have been blown off fairly rudely, by developers who had
> obviously not read the entire bug.  Of course, interactions on IRC are
> even worse.  
> 
> The result is that I don't file bugs anymore -- I make a fixed local
> copy of the ebuild and call it a day.  Since I can't recommend that my
> clients and employers do the same, I set them up with a RedHat-derived
> base system and then hand-compile the necessary software on top of that.
> 
> By way of comparison, problems I have had with specific pieces of
> business-critical software (vs. with the distro) have been handled with
> professionalism and dignity.
> 
> Maybe the problem is that Gentoo devs are *too* accessible, and aren't
> really given a choice in the matter.  Does e.g.,
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/ see the same level of activity as Gentoo's?
> I imagine that a lot of the grumpy devs would probably do well just
> sitting in the background and coding.
> 
> Those are my musings..
> 
> Dustin
> 
> P.S. I should add that the amd64 group does not seem to share these
> difficutlies -- this list is sometimes irreverent, but never insulting.
Hi,
I have opened this thread by accident, pls excuse if I'm butting in.  I 
now have Gentoo running on alpha, x86, the laptop, amd64 and soon to be 
mips.  I subscribe to all lists tho' I rarely post..


When I first started a few years ago coming from Debian, the users where 
very helpful but I to was intimidated with some kirt remarks.  I think 
one should remember gentoo can be an intimidating system
Gavin

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[Ben]

help

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Re: [gentoo-amd64]

[Simon Stelling]

Ben wrote:
> help

we can't help you if you don't give us a bit more info :P

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