From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D382138334 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74AE0E01E4; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42E65E01E4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 07:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id v24so8308659ljj.3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:29:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=5X/MIzdS4LDJ7rZTHebhroCz5y9BHZjhxYTqxdaxTcg=; b=j70Q9b4ynEAW1CktAMZCVDVcHHd5vzIp/lB4Jq8zLxNaDDCcDhbuwYLxXH/HET2Xwt EbFzNF2MAO/Lpxi9cOYSQQKLQb13Tzw1TX3id9n9K0D4dwT0ZJMopeDQ9XPy3ht9YcK0 rgoTE23qsUWva9L1na6mp6goWJw58hyAq+j9WObsR7cDFTfE9m0px9/ZaZRri4p8NBvh V5NBG2eHONGz/RwbZgzdPlUVzkZUzJD7un5E0ofiOBTmkmejqmOZ9p8Ub/opzkjVn41p 39RS9BSsIYMmZCW9Hl9GGkaCPGNgkWglq16ezqmTRtSt/O/yAcbaCELWzdVFEh3EfjC9 NCQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=5X/MIzdS4LDJ7rZTHebhroCz5y9BHZjhxYTqxdaxTcg=; b=f+++rdEV5T6DYafVePI0Bd1NDe6S9OzmeB+TFkuIlQfoEBp+qn0wocl3FOTuRL1bWo i8QJrf+ZBhW/tlH6K+84wNvK6H+xTUnqGQCqMFSc57Z1kOVeheKOvH6pmDnIMjnZiOyR ll0cbTUuPYwpov668RntkxA0d2kF/VXsP24ofzVJe3E3v+qRevhLIKPU3e+HFzg/hQG3 LvdWz3rw7lrxKoNVnkW/PXuYzmv2umk78lkm1h2eHO20Sz/kEJX+Y5HffXrrTg6hqGXr zOvIMn02A5Oj6pfoouuT23VokLTM7HFZ5zfML01o7AE6tp8NTQCSlU947u3c6qMfYfrB mfEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUVdsrZ8mNKZE/L9KV6g3Y+qm6Cs95WJi002FSi8zdaP+b4DMBT k9ogO9N17FRUyRCIi+frrwuo5dZSnBe3ZGktg5n5QibH X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwcmaFlgUUGkRk2tWLTLn3uPnclp7WbN5M8IdggJXOIr/Q/gLFAzNX6UW/z2gILz2RocbwFiN5uvHYBQl/J94w= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9854:: with SMTP id e20mr11381378ljj.72.1569828548082; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-alt@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-alt@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wodtkups.fsf@proton.d.airelinux.org> <87o8z28te6.fsf@gentoo.org> <20190930062512.GK29797@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20190930062512.GK29797@gentoo.org> From: Sam Pfeiffer Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 17:28:56 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-alt] Prefix-standalone profile has upgraded into dev Cc: gentoo-alt@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f77f450593c030dd" X-Archives-Salt: e9177deb-8a1f-4be1-959f-a9f668cdd91b X-Archives-Hash: 93d4c9a104bda7172afbc863655f5fde --000000000000f77f450593c030dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Great and exciting news! On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 4:25 PM Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 30-09-2019 09:28:17 +0800, Benda Xu wrote: > > Jacob Godserv writes: > > > > > Wow! This is huge! Congratulations to the Prefix team for their hard > > > work and the unofficial volunteers that supported them! This has been > > > so long in the making I resigned myself to it never > > > happening. Incredible! > > > > Thank you Jacob. It has been a long journey since around ~2005 > > (@Fabian, correct me if I am wrong). Prefix has gradually matured over > > the years, with love from all of us in the community. > > I joined in 2005. At that time there were a few hundreds of packages > keyworded for ~ppc-macos. Main people that had been working on there > (that I know of) were ferringb, kito, pvdabeel, gongloo and j4rg0n. The > project started as Gentoo for Mac OS X. Around 2008 this became Gentoo > Prefix (as we know it today) because a shift was made from installing > "missing" software on Mac OS X in the usual locations (/usr/bin, etc.) > to installing replacement software in a different location, replacing > host software, and therefore relying as little as possible on that > software. Initially it was easy to use Mac OS X's provided software, > because it was up-to-date, but as time went, the software became > outdated (think of automake/autoconf, often a problem) and problematic > (Apple-specific modifications, or unfixed bugs because of old versions). > Thus the only way forward was to install as much as possible Gentoo > "versions", the sole aim of Gentoo Prefix. > > > The feeling that Prefix would remain an experimental project was real. > > But as the quality of Prefix steadily grows, we could envision it to be > > of production level hereafter. > > I'm happy to see it more mature for the Linux platforms. We've always > been struggling to keep it "working". Historically, the macOS "target" > was best supported, followed by Solaris, but as these platforms > continued to evolve, or age, we couldn't always keep up fixing the > packages and bootstrap process. Even today this is the case. > > There were a lot of contributors as wel as Gentoo devs that came and > went over the years, making countless efforts and spending many hours to > analyse, test and fix packages, processes or scenarios. For those of > you, if you're still watching, your input has been vital for making the > project what it has become today. It's still running, and for some > scenarios still working fine/being super useful. > > Thanks a lot, > Fabian > > > > Big cheers to us all. > > > > Yours, > > Benda > > > > -- > Fabian Groffen > Gentoo on a different level > -- *Sammy Pfeiffer* PhD Candidate at The Magic Lab within UTS. --000000000000f77f450593c030dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great and exciting news!

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 4:25 P= M Fabian Groffen <grobian@gentoo.o= rg> wrote:
jacobgodserv@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Wow! This is huge! Congratulations to the Prefix team for their h= ard
> > work and the unofficial volunteers that supported them! This has = been
> > so long in the making I resigned myself to it never
> > happening. Incredible!
>
> Thank you Jacob.=C2=A0 It has been a long journey since around ~2005 > (@Fabian, correct me if I am wrong).=C2=A0 Prefix has gradually mature= d over
> the years, with love from all of us in the community.

I joined in 2005.=C2=A0 At that time there were a few hundreds of packages<= br> keyworded for ~ppc-macos.=C2=A0 Main people that had been working on there<= br> (that I know of) were ferringb, kito, pvdabeel, gongloo and j4rg0n.=C2=A0 T= he
project started as Gentoo for Mac OS X.=C2=A0 Around 2008 this became Gento= o
Prefix (as we know it today) because a shift was made from installing
"missing" software on Mac OS X in the usual locations (/usr/bin, = etc.)
to installing replacement software in a different location, replacing
host software, and therefore relying as little as possible on that
software.=C2=A0 Initially it was easy to use Mac OS X's provided softwa= re,
because it was up-to-date, but as time went, the software became
outdated (think of automake/autoconf, often a problem) and problematic
(Apple-specific modifications, or unfixed bugs because of old versions). Thus the only way forward was to install as much as possible Gentoo
"versions", the sole aim of Gentoo Prefix.

> The feeling that Prefix would remain an experimental project was real.=
> But as the quality of Prefix steadily grows, we could envision it to b= e
> of production level hereafter.

I'm happy to see it more mature for the Linux platforms.=C2=A0 We'v= e always
been struggling to keep it "working".=C2=A0 Historically, the mac= OS "target"
was best supported, followed by Solaris, but as these platforms
continued to evolve, or age, we couldn't always keep up fixing the
packages and bootstrap process.=C2=A0 Even today this is the case.

There were a lot of contributors as wel as Gentoo devs that came and
went over the years, making countless efforts and spending many hours to analyse, test and fix packages, processes or scenarios.=C2=A0 For those of<= br> you, if you're still watching, your input has been vital for making the=
project what it has become today.=C2=A0 It's still running, and for som= e
scenarios still working fine/being super useful.

Thanks a lot,
Fabian


> Big cheers to us all.
>
> Yours,
> Benda
>

--
Fabian Groffen
Gentoo on a different level


--

Sammy Pfeiffer
PhD Candidate at The Magic Lab within UTS.
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