From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99863138334 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2019 02:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E613E0874; Mon, 2 Sep 2019 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lj1-x242.google.com (mail-lj1-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50B41E0874 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2019 02:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lj1-x242.google.com with SMTP id l14so11387902lje.2 for ; Sun, 01 Sep 2019 19:18:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rAHoVg0fIcLzOk3jSqceWGvV2X8oecpAKFdgvCueUj0=; b=G4Rb7mqKeUiOr/NmhEuw+kmzpwtK1BWBGkB/yuFZ5O8dfDk8jjKUCegE+Lo38Je3UL LT9RHA9Do4qFOSgXzFEtVsL/OIEJ2U+cWbr9Tc8TNlASt19SoeIHxfH8Xtn36iArkq/S oYv/vQd5w6VMfOSsZwvgvS2BSX5lvQv51UFhZMX5AsCJ6K7KxpDAAUVJUFnzGjwQqjGv wvXRTOEVoiTLr+zq2xuFeS4S2JYmVGdSIIx3OVrmeRdpqulYhDOMDSRQtagcleRiJWXy Rx/59gt6asK1jD9kqZzqDpsyGSHqR3BVlfkUh5D/itzgWAm1hqDS/OIjM4HjVmIbkyS7 V+jw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=rAHoVg0fIcLzOk3jSqceWGvV2X8oecpAKFdgvCueUj0=; b=Hd+w+qKm5xCx3WansSr1/7iHFWowiHY/9rRtNSk6BpZ+qZ/9jJRg4Rc8fUfriCcY3J G62IPb5EAgtU/DkRpXdK+PeBVqj5TglrRjv8ruJbk5MjUY2AQPJfFyIJlfYHYX+gmPiH dvOvLMw7x1SvY2bs/fRucWQ3NQhNgF+8atb/hk6ZfgY9zZ0ZND1Ik1eGFgc8xWFlhj2G AIqBffltkGEOqq/pyAFdFyVvgxxjbqSEUGzZeh2AG6d8cBsTfCzvi2or9wpfiryD3WBs FMnapOG5/WP0g6FaiN5UtYy38mRP/JLkMEMP60zbkuIAl+DJvhfqIE8MdQLkpiRkWXLA LgVg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUYmyf9rckU4Juv6u6N9u84gJIB3yGTgijiyKQ4OzLmRUMSm3cl Xs2CkdL7jbxgq8wDEtnPWnZq+Cf5ukb2+5dMAsZMAg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyHkSsYFbjcQCF7jt7TN5FZD7uWmGmSFeZ1QivVSYVNjD4FxBpoVAHWoWJBOxGJRpjZAuSAnZ66orlY1+Oo8Xk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:6111:: with SMTP id v17mr14842912ljb.30.1567390692186; Sun, 01 Sep 2019 19:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-alpha@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-alpha@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Gary Lee Phillips Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 21:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-alpha] Gentoo/Alpha is without a build machine To: gentoo-alpha@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006e9d5c0591889512" X-Archives-Salt: 10c7afa6-7236-44e9-b123-2e953949efa4 X-Archives-Hash: 37e9cbf84ff3b217b498f3c24e0ed6e9 --0000000000006e9d5c0591889512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would be a user but Gentoo alpha seems to lack many things needed to make it suitable for daily use. I use my PWS with the last Debian release and with OpenVMS. That said, I have a rack mount Alphaserver DS10 that is operational but not in use. I could donate that, but perhaps it isn't large enough? On Sun, Sep 1, 2019, 16:47 Matt Turner wrote: > Hello, > > Our build and testing machine which was graciously hosted for free for > many years has been decommissioned. I had planned to host an > AlphaServer ES47 and a DS20L at a local university, but the DS20L blew > a capacitor and the ES47 has never been stable enough to warrant using > it for much more than a personal testing machine. I personally have > other machines (UP1500, PC164{,LX,BX,SX}, DP264) but they're not ideal > for building installation media and offering remote build testing > access to multiple developers. I also have 2x 600MHz DS10Ls which > could presumably be hosted at OSUOSL, but again, single CPU 600MHz > systems are pretty useless as a replacement for our quad-CPU ES40. > > Ideally we'd have the DS20L fixed and the ES47 stabilized and then > continue using them. That would require: > > (1) I would be able to replace the capacitors on the DS20L and have it > working again, but I tried and the new ones blew up too, so that's > evidently just a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself. > Electrical engineering advice required if this is to be fixed. > > (2) I would be able to figure out what's causing the ES47 to be > unstable. It seems to lock up under load but I haven't really made > much progress beyond that. > > So we're considering various options. Should we stop alpha support all > together? Should we replace stable alpha keywords with ~alpha? Should > we make the alpha profiles unstable and allow dependency breakage? > Should we try to find another suitable build machine and host it? > > I guess the answer to some of these will depend on how many > Gentoo/alpha users there are. I personally would like to keep alpha > support alive, while reducing the amount of work to keep it going. > > So, do we have users? Do they have opinions? Can they offer help? > > Thanks, > Matt > > --0000000000006e9d5c0591889512 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would be a user but Gentoo alpha seems to lack many thi= ngs needed to make it suitable for daily use. I use my PWS with the last De= bian release and with OpenVMS.=C2=A0

That said, I have a rack mount Alphaserver DS10 that is operational = but not in use. I could donate that, but perhaps it isn't large enough?=



On Sun, Sep 1= , 2019, 16:47 Matt Turner <mattst= 88@gentoo.org> wrote:
Hello,=

Our build and testing machine which was graciously hosted for free for
many years has been decommissioned. I had planned to host an
AlphaServer ES47 and a DS20L at a local university, but the DS20L blew
a capacitor and the ES47 has never been stable enough to warrant using
it for much more than a personal testing machine. I personally have
other machines (UP1500, PC164{,LX,BX,SX}, DP264) but they're not ideal<= br> for building installation media and offering remote build testing
access to multiple developers. I also have 2x 600MHz DS10Ls which
could presumably be hosted at OSUOSL, but again, single CPU 600MHz
systems are pretty useless as a replacement for our quad-CPU ES40.

Ideally we'd have the DS20L fixed and the ES47 stabilized and then
continue using them. That would require:

(1) I would be able to replace the capacitors on the DS20L and have it
working again, but I tried and the new ones blew up too, so that's
evidently just a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.
Electrical engineering advice required if this is to be fixed.

(2) I would be able to figure out what's causing the ES47 to be
unstable. It seems to lock up under load but I haven't really made
much progress beyond that.

So we're considering various options. Should we stop alpha support all<= br> together? Should we replace stable alpha keywords with ~alpha? Should
we make the alpha profiles unstable and allow dependency breakage?
Should we try to find another suitable build machine and host it?

I guess the answer to some of these will depend on how many
Gentoo/alpha users there are. I personally would like to keep alpha
support alive, while reducing the amount of work to keep it going.

So, do we have users? Do they have opinions? Can they offer help?

Thanks,
Matt

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