[gentoo-accessibility] Emerge complaining about that Espeak and Espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time when trying to install orca or Espeak itself.

[gentoo-accessibility] Emerge complaining about that Espeak and Espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time when trying to install orca or Espeak itself.

[matthew dyer]

Hi all,

I have an installed system of gentoo using the gnome desktop profile.  I am trying to get orca installed, but emerge is not happy.  One if the things it is complaining about is that espeak and Espeak-ng can’t be installed at the same time.  Espeak is not even installed, but espeak-ng installed without a problem.  I have the accessibility flag in my make.conf so installing accessibility packages should not be this much of a problem.  I used ubuntu to do the install if this matters.  I am currius if there are any audio walkthrough of doing an install using speech?  I’ve tried the official cds but never was able to get speech.  Accessibility doesn’t seem to be well documented.  

Thanks.

Matthew

Re: [gentoo-accessibility] Emerge complaining about that Espeak and Espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time when trying to install orca or Espeak itself.

[Jude DaShiell]

Nothing exists in terms of a gentoo audio accessibility installation
walkthrough.  I'll be surprised if that ever changes too.  Why this is
happening is because part of espeak comes in the kernel code which is how
you got gentoo talking at all during installation.  I don't know if you
built your kernel or used a pre-built kernel.  Maybe a flag for espeak-ng
is one of those accessibility flags available during kernel building I
don't know.  If an espeak-ng pre-built kernel doesn't yet exist you'd have
to build your own kernel and enable that flag.
This may get you out of the woods or into the weeds, fenrirscreenreader is
another package you could try to emerge on gentoo and have it start and
remove espeak-ng.  I don't know if you went the systemd route or the
openrc route.  From what I've read, openrc is recommended over systemd on
gentoo.
I wish I had better news and I'm another one who could really use an audio
accessibility installation gentoo walkthrough.


-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 1 May 2023, matthew dyer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have an installed system of gentoo using the gnome desktop profile.  I am trying to get orca installed, but emerge is not happy.  One if the things it is complaining about is that espeak and Espeak-ng can’t be installed at the same time.  Espeak is not even installed, but espeak-ng installed without a problem.  I have the accessibility flag in my make.conf so installing accessibility packages should not be this much of a problem.  I used ubuntu to do the install if this matters.  I am currius if there are any audio walkthrough of doing an install using speech?  I’ve tried the official cds but never was able to get speech.  Accessibility doesn’t seem to be well documented.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-accessibility] Emerge complaining about that Espeak and Espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time when trying to install orca or Espeak itself.

[matthew dyer]

First, I have used open RC and my main thing is orca as that is why I was asking.  I’ll have  to look and see if Fenrir is in the repo.  If so, I’ll give it a look, but even if so, I will still have to have speech of some sourt.  I some times wonder what the point off having an accessibility team if there is no easy way to get things going.  As for what kernel I used I used a gentoo kernel bin so this should not be a problem.  

Matthew



> On May 1, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> 
> Nothing exists in terms of a gentoo audio accessibility installation
> walkthrough.  I'll be surprised if that ever changes too.  Why this is
> happening is because part of espeak comes in the kernel code which is how
> you got gentoo talking at all during installation.  I don't know if you
> built your kernel or used a pre-built kernel.  Maybe a flag for espeak-ng
> is one of those accessibility flags available during kernel building I
> don't know.  If an espeak-ng pre-built kernel doesn't yet exist you'd have
> to build your own kernel and enable that flag.
> This may get you out of the woods or into the weeds, fenrirscreenreader is
> another package you could try to emerge on gentoo and have it start and
> remove espeak-ng.  I don't know if you went the systemd route or the
> openrc route.  From what I've read, openrc is recommended over systemd on
> gentoo.
> I wish I had better news and I'm another one who could really use an audio
> accessibility installation gentoo walkthrough.
> 
> 
> -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2023, matthew dyer wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have an installed system of gentoo using the gnome desktop profile.  I am trying to get orca installed, but emerge is not happy.  One if the things it is complaining about is that espeak and Espeak-ng can’t be installed at the same time.  Espeak is not even installed, but espeak-ng installed without a problem.  I have the accessibility flag in my make.conf so installing accessibility packages should not be this much of a problem.  I used ubuntu to do the install if this matters.  I am currius if there are any audio walkthrough of doing an install using speech?  I’ve tried the official cds but never was able to get speech.  Accessibility doesn’t seem to be well documented.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [gentoo-accessibility] Emerge complaining about that Espeak and Espeak-ng can not be installed at the same time when trying to install orca or Espeak itself.

[Jude DaShiell]

Good, you used the recommended paths.  Even if fenrir isn't in the gentoo
repository, so long as pip or pip3 is in the repository or already on your
system fenrir can be installed.
pip install fenrir-screenreader
should get that process started.  Fenrir-screenreader has a support email
group fenrir-screenreader+subscribe@freelists.org for anyone needing help
with it.  It turns out from what I read, fenrir-screenreader does a better
job running inside mate-terminal than orca.  That might also hold true for
gnome.
Original function of fenrir-screenreader is to work in tty (when there's
no gui).


-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.

On Mon, 1 May 2023, matthew dyer wrote:

> First, I have used open RC and my main thing is orca as that is why I was asking.  I’ll have  to look and see if Fenrir is in the repo.  If so, I’ll give it a look, but even if so, I will still have to have speech of some sourt.  I some times wonder what the point off having an accessibility team if there is no easy way to get things going.  As for what kernel I used I used a gentoo kernel bin so this should not be a problem.
>
> Matthew
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 2023, at 2:47 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> > Nothing exists in terms of a gentoo audio accessibility installation
> > walkthrough.  I'll be surprised if that ever changes too.  Why this is
> > happening is because part of espeak comes in the kernel code which is how
> > you got gentoo talking at all during installation.  I don't know if you
> > built your kernel or used a pre-built kernel.  Maybe a flag for espeak-ng
> > is one of those accessibility flags available during kernel building I
> > don't know.  If an espeak-ng pre-built kernel doesn't yet exist you'd have
> > to build your own kernel and enable that flag.
> > This may get you out of the woods or into the weeds, fenrirscreenreader is
> > another package you could try to emerge on gentoo and have it start and
> > remove espeak-ng.  I don't know if you went the systemd route or the
> > openrc route.  From what I've read, openrc is recommended over systemd on
> > gentoo.
> > I wish I had better news and I'm another one who could really use an audio
> > accessibility installation gentoo walkthrough.
> >
> >
> > -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
> > order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
> >
> > On Mon, 1 May 2023, matthew dyer wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have an installed system of gentoo using the gnome desktop profile.  I am trying to get orca installed, but emerge is not happy.  One if the things it is complaining about is that espeak and Espeak-ng can’t be installed at the same time.  Espeak is not even installed, but espeak-ng installed without a problem.  I have the accessibility flag in my make.conf so installing accessibility packages should not be this much of a problem.  I used ubuntu to do the install if this matters.  I am currius if there are any audio walkthrough of doing an install using speech?  I’ve tried the official cds but never was able to get speech.  Accessibility doesn’t seem to be well documented.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>