[gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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> Hi,
> What packages should/can I emerge to get software speech working?  Is
> eflite/eflite16 supported as a package?  Or is there something
> better/easier?  Also, I assume I will need to emerge speechd-up?  And of
> course lastly, are these available through emerge or will I need to
> manually load/configure them?  
> Regards,
> Cecil

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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[Deedra Waters]

you'll need speech-dispatcher speechd-up at least. Speech-dispatcher
depends on flite I belive, so I hope you have enough ram to build it:)
Eflite is available and is in portage, but not eflite16. If you want
eflite16 you'll have to bribe squinky86 or eradicator. I can't do any
real dev testing because I'm on an insanely slow laptop, with not enough
ram...


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:

> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:52:06 -0400
> From: Whitley CTR Cecil H <WhitleyCH.ctr@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> Reply-To: gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org
> To: "'gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org'"
>     <gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org>
> Subject: [gentoo-accessibility] Software speech
>
> > Hi,
> > What packages should/can I emerge to get software speech working?  Is
> > eflite/eflite16 supported as a package?  Or is there something
> > better/easier?  Also, I assume I will need to emerge speechd-up?  And of
> > course lastly, are these available through emerge or will I need to
> > manually load/configure them?
> > Regards,
> > Cecil
>

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RE: [gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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Hi Deedra,

>you'll need speech-dispatcher speechd-up at least. Speech-dispatcher
>depends on flite I belive, so I hope you have enough ram to build it:)
I've got a gig, so that should be enough to handle pretty much anything.  If
not, that'll give me the excuse i've been looking for to get another.  

>Eflite is available and is in portage, but not eflite16. If you want
>eflite16 you'll have to bribe squinky86 or eradicator. 
Once I get the system up and running, if you can give me any pointers, i'll
try rolling my own.  I would assume modifying the eflite ebuild scripts
would be the place to start.  Those are all in python aren't they?  If so,
i've got enough python experience that I should be able to understand them.

Regards,

Cecil

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RE: [gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[Deedra Waters]

ebuilds are in bash. check the gentoo pages for documentation on
creating ebuilds. Be careful with eflite stuff though, as I recall it
was rather cranky to write an ebuild for.


On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:

> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:55:25 -0400
> From: Whitley CTR Cecil H <WhitleyCH.ctr@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> Reply-To: gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org
> To: "'gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org'"
>     <gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org>
> Subject: RE: [gentoo-accessibility] Software speech
>
> Hi Deedra,
>
> >you'll need speech-dispatcher speechd-up at least. Speech-dispatcher
> >depends on flite I belive, so I hope you have enough ram to build it:)
> I've got a gig, so that should be enough to handle pretty much anything.  If
> not, that'll give me the excuse i've been looking for to get another.
>
> >Eflite is available and is in portage, but not eflite16. If you want
> >eflite16 you'll have to bribe squinky86 or eradicator.
> Once I get the system up and running, if you can give me any pointers, i'll
> try rolling my own.  I would assume modifying the eflite ebuild scripts
> would be the place to start.  Those are all in python aren't they?  If so,
> i've got enough python experience that I should be able to understand them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cecil
>

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[gentoo-accessibility] Software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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Hi,
Well, I had success over the weekend.  I ended up loading kernel
2.4.26-gentoo-r9 and using genkernel to create the initrd file.  I still
need to manually intervene while booting (insmod usb-storage, echo "scsi
add-single-device 0 0 0" > /proc/scsi/scsi, exit, /dev/sda1), but at least
it will the mount /dev/sda1 as root and continue the boot process to
completion!  

What do I need to do to configure sound?  I assume that i'll need to put all
the sound modules into modules.autoload.d and run modules-update?  Do I need
to emerge a mixer and the like?  If so, what all packages will I need?  I
assume that my config is oss, since alsa wasn't a config option for the
2.4.26 kernel.  Will flite work with oss?  

In summary, my question is basically where do I go from here?  After sound
is functional, I expect to
emerge flite
emerge speechd-up
Will things work properly if I then
rc-update add flite default
rc-update add speechd-up default
or is it more complex/complicated than that?  All pointers welcome!

I've found the linuxrc file and I hope to mod it so that the machine will
come up with no manual intervention.  This is particularly important since I
don't expect software speech to come up until late in the boot process, is
this correct?  In particular, is software speech available only after root
is mounted?

Regards,

Cecil Whitley

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[gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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Hi,
well, the subjects a little off, it's actually speechd-up.  It appears this
ebuild is masked?  I've now got sound working (the alsa howto on the gentoo
site is great), and i've emerged flite (and it works).  I tried 
emerge speechd-up
and got an error.  I can pipe the msg to a file and post it if it would be
helpfull.  But my personal summary of the message is that the package is
masked?  Is this normal, and how do I proceed?
Thanks,
Cecil


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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Deedra Waters]

Yes, this is normal for this package.

Because there hasn't been an official release of it yet, it is in
package.mask because the ebuild pulls from a live cvs tree.

man portage will  tell you how to unmask it so that you can use it. Be
warned, it may or may not work. If the ebuild is working, let us know..

On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:14:29 -0400
> From: Whitley CTR Cecil H <WhitleyCH.ctr@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> Reply-To: gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org
> To: "'gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org'"
>     <gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org>
> Subject: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech
>
> Hi,
> well, the subjects a little off, it's actually speechd-up.  It appears this
> ebuild is masked?  I've now got sound working (the alsa howto on the gentoo
> site is great), and i've emerged flite (and it works).  I tried
> emerge speechd-up
> and got an error.  I can pipe the msg to a file and post it if it would be
> helpfull.  But my personal summary of the message is that the package is
> masked?  Is this normal, and how do I proceed?
> Thanks,
> Cecil
>
>

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RE: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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Hi Deedra,
>Yes, this is normal for this package.
>Because there hasn't been an official release of it yet, it is in
>package.mask because the ebuild pulls from a live cvs tree.
That's what I syspected.  Okay, i'll track it down and i'll post here in
either case.  
Thanks,
Cecil

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RE: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Jon Hood]

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Cecil,
Please do report back on your findings. Also, if you have some time and
patience and have no fear of breaking things, I may get you to test out
a speech-dispatcher 5.0 ebuild. It has some problems right now so it's
not in portage, and I've had power outages due to the storms/hurricanes,
but send me an email if you're brave! That goes to anyone on list who
wants to break...er...update their systems with these packages :).
-Jon

On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 08:56, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:
> Okay, i'll track it down and i'll post here in either case.  
> Thanks,
> Cecil

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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Kenny Hitt]

I'm interested.  Where do I go and what to I do?  One good thing about
using speakup for a long time is I have a hardware synth, so breaking
software speech could be fun.

          Kenny

On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:04:48PM -0500, Jon Hood wrote:
> Cecil,
> Please do report back on your findings. Also, if you have some time and
> patience and have no fear of breaking things, I may get you to test out
> a speech-dispatcher 5.0 ebuild. It has some problems right now so it's
> not in portage, and I've had power outages due to the storms/hurricanes,
> but send me an email if you're brave! That goes to anyone on list who
> wants to break...er...update their systems with these packages :).
> -Jon
> 
> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 08:56, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:
> > Okay, i'll track it down and i'll post here in either case.  
> > Thanks,
> > Cecil



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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Deedra Waters]

By the way, we can always use more victims...err users/visitors in our
irc channel.:) #gentoo-accessibility on irc.freenode.net :)


On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:12:17 -0500
> From: Kenny Hitt <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> Reply-To: gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-accessibility@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech
>
> I'm interested.  Where do I go and what to I do?  One good thing about
> using speakup for a long time is I have a hardware synth, so breaking
> software speech could be fun.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 12:04:48PM -0500, Jon Hood wrote:
> > Cecil,
> > Please do report back on your findings. Also, if you have some time and
> > patience and have no fear of breaking things, I may get you to test out
> > a speech-dispatcher 5.0 ebuild. It has some problems right now so it's
> > not in portage, and I've had power outages due to the storms/hurricanes,
> > but send me an email if you're brave! That goes to anyone on list who
> > wants to break...er...update their systems with these packages :).
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 08:56, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:
> > > Okay, i'll track it down and i'll post here in either case.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Cecil
>
>
>
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RE: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Whitley CTR Cecil H]

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Hi John,
>Cecil,
>Please do report back on your findings. Also, if you have some time and
>patience and have no fear of breaking things, I may get you to test out
>a speech-dispatcher 5.0 ebuild. It has some problems right now so it's
>not in portage, and I've had power outages due to the storms/hurricanes,
>but send me an email if you're brave! That goes to anyone on list who
>wants to break...er...update their systems with these packages :).
-
I'm not shy and I never learned to suffer in silence.... or succeed in
silence either for that matter, So i'm sure that you'll hear.  I look
forward to having speechd-up working.  Speech-dispatcher 5, that doesn't
work with speakup correct?  That's targeted more toward emacs isn't it?  Of
course, speech dispatcher may be required for speechd-up?  In any case, I
won't mind breaking (okay, trying) things, but if there isn't a direct
impact to speakup it won't be a priority.  

On the other hand, i'm contemplating going back to my original partitioning
scheme so emerging and testing before I wax shouldn't be a problem.  I'm
still learning things i should have done (or shouldn't have done) which I
expected going into this.  Eventually i'll have to stop transporting the
Dectalk back and forth, it's just too rough on the hardware.  

Has anyone out there had any experience building/using a vanilla kernel
under gentoo?  Will I have to d/l and apply speakup manually?  I'm
contemplating moving up to the latest 2.6 kernel to see if hardware issues
go away (see comment above about things that shouldn't be done).  At this
point i'm looking the biggest hammer I can find.  In case ya'll haven't
realized it yet, i'm playing with toys right now, not seriously dependant on
gentoo running stable, although I would like to get to that point.  I'll be
moving in a month or so and I want a linux (any linux) system up and running
then to use as a proxy on the new network.  Additionally, once I get
comfortable with the build process i'll be teaching my son (we home school)
and I need to be proficient enough to help him out if he gets stuck.  Of
course, that system will be a lot older, and hopefully easier to deal with.


Okay, enough rambling.  

Regards,

Cecil

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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 01:39:08PM -0400, Whitley CTR Cecil H wrote:
<snip>

> forward to having speechd-up working.  Speech-dispatcher 5, that doesn't
> work with speakup correct?  That's targeted more toward emacs isn't it?  Of
> course, speech dispatcher may be required for speechd-up?  In any case, I
> won't mind breaking (okay, trying) things, but if there isn't a direct
> impact to speakup it won't be a priority.  
> 
Speech-dispatcher is required for all software synths with speakup.
Tuxtalk is an exception, but it isn't usable.

Hope this helps.
         Kenny



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Re: [gentoo-accessibility] software speech

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  I'm just to lazy to mess with IRC.  Setting up a client is easy,
but learning all the special symbols is work.
Give me a voice chat on a speak_freely reflector any day.

          Kenny
	  
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 10:20:08AM -0700, Deedra Waters wrote:
> By the way, we can always use more victims...err users/visitors in our
> irc channel.:) #gentoo-accessibility on irc.freenode.net :)
> 

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