From: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: Matt Turner <mattst88@gentoo.org>,
council@gentoo.org, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: EGO_SUM
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 22:16:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5ytowgu.fsf@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43c7d58b-cdaf-4e0d-f333-bd5cdc80a475@gentoo.org>
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Florian Schmaus <flow@gentoo.org> writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> On 26/04/2023 18.12, Matt Turner wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 11:31 AM Florian Schmaus <flow@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> The discussion would be more productive if someone who is supporting the
>>> EGO_SUM deprecation could rationally summarize the main arguments why we
>>> deprecated EGO_SUM.
>> You're requesting the changes. It's on you to read the previous
>> threads and try to understand. It's not others' responsibilities to
>> justify the status quo to you, but tl;dr is Manifest files grew to
>> insane sizes for golang packages with many dependencies, and the
>> Manifest size is a cost all Gentoo users pay regardless of whether
>> they use the package.
>
> I am sorry. I did try to understand the reasoning in the previous
> threads. However, I do not conclude that the "cost" users must pay for
> EGO_SUM justifies EGO_SUM's deprecation. It is the other way around:
> EGO_SUM's advantages do not explain its deprecation, even if users
> have to pay a cost.
>
> You write that the "Manifest sizes grew to insane sizes"?
>
> At which boundary does a package size, the total size of the package's
> directory, become insane?
>
> Disk space is cheap. Currently, ::gentoo, without metadata, is around
> 470 MiB. If you add 10 Go packages with a whopping 200 KiB each, then
> this adds 2 MiB to that. I need someone to explain how this
> constitutes an issue with disk space. Even if we add 100 Go packages,
> probably roughly the number of Go packages we have in ::gentoo, then
> those 20 MiB are not significant. Needless to say that the average
> size of a Go package is less than the 200 KiB uses in this
> calculation.
The numbers you've used here suggest you've missed some of the
big problematic cases from the past:
- https://bugs.gentoo.org/833478 (1.1MB manifest)
- https://bugs.gentoo.org/833477 (1.6MB manifest)
sam
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-04-27 21:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-04-17 7:37 [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM Florian Schmaus
2023-04-17 9:28 ` [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM Anna (cybertailor) Vyalkova
2023-04-27 18:00 ` William Hubbs
2023-04-27 18:18 ` David Seifert
2023-04-24 16:11 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-24 20:28 ` Sam James
2023-04-24 22:52 ` Alexey Zapparov
2023-04-26 15:31 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-26 16:12 ` Matt Turner
2023-04-26 19:31 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-04-26 19:38 ` Chris Pritchard
2023-04-26 20:47 ` Matt Turner
2023-04-27 7:58 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-27 9:24 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-04-28 6:59 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-27 12:54 ` Michał Górny
2023-04-27 23:12 ` Pascal Jäger
2023-04-28 0:38 ` Sam James
2023-04-28 4:27 ` Michał Górny
2023-04-28 5:31 ` Sam James
2023-04-28 6:59 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-28 14:34 ` Michał Górny
2023-05-02 19:32 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 19:38 ` Sam James
2023-04-29 22:34 ` Robin H. Johnson
2023-04-27 21:16 ` Sam James [this message]
2023-05-02 19:32 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 19:45 ` Sam James
2023-05-08 7:53 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-08 12:03 ` Michał Górny
2023-05-22 7:14 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-02 20:04 ` Matt Turner
2023-05-08 7:53 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-04-26 20:51 ` Sam James
2023-05-30 15:52 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-05-30 16:30 ` Anna (cybertailor) Vyalkova
2023-05-31 5:02 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-05-30 16:35 ` Arthur Zamarin
2023-05-31 6:20 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-05-31 8:40 ` Ryan Qian
2023-05-31 9:06 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-05-31 6:30 ` pascal.jaeger leimstift.de
2023-06-01 4:00 ` William Hubbs
2023-06-02 8:17 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-06-02 8:31 ` Michał Górny
2023-06-09 10:07 ` Florian Schmaus
2023-06-01 19:55 ` [gentoo-dev] EGO_SUM William Hubbs
2023-06-02 7:13 ` Joonas Niilola
2023-06-02 18:06 ` William Hubbs
2023-06-02 18:42 ` Joonas Niilola
2023-06-09 10:07 ` Florian Schmaus
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