From: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@gentoo.org>
To: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:10:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86plwieydl.fsf@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2b8c68b1649213cf237f40e41f9a460a5667c34.camel@gentoo.org> ("Michał Górny"'s message of "Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:45:17 +0100")
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Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Given the recent spread of the "AI" bubble, I think we really need to
> look into formally addressing the related concerns. In my opinion,
> at this point the only reasonable course of action would be to safely
> ban "AI"-backed contribution entirely. In other words, explicitly
> forbid people from using ChatGPT, Bard, GitHub Copilot, and so on, to
> create ebuilds, code, documentation, messages, bug reports and so on for
> use in Gentoo.
>
> Just to be clear, I'm talking about our "original" content. We can't do
> much about upstream projects using it.
>
>
> Rationale:
>
> 1. Copyright concerns. At this point, the copyright situation around
> generated content is still unclear. What's pretty clear is that pretty
> much all LLMs are trained on huge corpora of copyrighted material, and
> all fancy "AI" companies don't give shit about copyright violations.
> In particular, there's a good risk that these tools would yield stuff we
> can't legally use.
>
> 2. Quality concerns. LLMs are really great at generating plausibly
> looking bullshit. I suppose they can provide good assistance if you are
> careful enough, but we can't really rely on all our contributors being
> aware of the risks.
>
> 3. Ethical concerns. As pointed out above, the "AI" corporations don't
> give shit about copyright, and don't give shit about people. The AI
> bubble is causing huge energy waste. It is giving a great excuse for
> layoffs and increasing exploitation of IT workers. It is driving
> enshittification of the Internet, it is empowering all kinds of spam
> and scam.
>
>
> Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that
> worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think
> adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be
> a good thing — but we need to have policies in place, to make sure shit
> doesn't flow in.
>
> Compare with the shitstorm at:
> https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358
+1. All I've seen from "generatative" (read: auto-plagiarizing) A"I" is
spam and theft, and have the full intention of blocking it where-ever my
vote counts.
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Arsen Arsenović
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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-27 14:45 [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Michał Górny
2024-02-27 15:10 ` Arsen Arsenović [this message]
2024-02-27 15:21 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 15:31 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2024-02-27 16:11 ` Marek Szuba
2024-02-27 16:29 ` Sam James
2024-02-27 16:48 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2024-02-27 17:02 ` Ionen Wolkens
2024-02-27 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2024-02-27 18:07 ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-27 18:27 ` Kenton Groombridge
2024-02-27 17:46 ` Matthias Maier
2024-02-27 17:50 ` Roy Bamford
2024-02-27 18:40 ` Peter Böhm
2024-02-27 18:04 ` Sam James
2024-03-09 14:57 ` Michał Górny
2024-02-27 19:17 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-02-28 3:05 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2024-02-28 3:12 ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-02-28 11:06 ` Matt Jolly
2024-02-28 20:20 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-01 7:06 ` Sam James
2024-03-09 15:00 ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 13:09 ` Michał Górny
2024-02-28 10:34 ` David Seifert
2024-02-28 18:50 ` Arthur Zamarin
2024-02-28 19:26 ` Rich Freeman
2024-03-01 6:33 ` Zoltan Puskas
2024-03-05 6:12 ` Robin H. Johnson
2024-03-06 6:53 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2024-03-08 3:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2024-03-09 15:04 ` Michał Górny
2024-03-09 21:13 ` Duncan
2024-03-10 1:53 ` Eli Schwartz
2024-03-06 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " martin-kokos
2024-03-08 7:09 ` Fco. Javier Felix Belmonte
2024-03-21 15:25 ` Michał Górny
2024-04-15 19:50 ` Jérôme Carretero
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