From: "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:22:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6aca04641c105c3fc72910fdbb7b6c01.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org>
Sam James wrote:
>
> "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net> writes:
>
>> Sam James wrote:
>>>
>>> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> orbea wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200
>>>>> "Andreas K. Huettel" <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Montag, 11. September 2023, 17:22:43 CEST schrieb orbea:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Upstream is maintained still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Based on what? It has several commits this year and is currently
>>>>> working on both of my systems. Is there something specific showing
>>>>> why its not maintained?
>>>>
>>>> On the link above it says this:
>>>>
>>>> On 2021-08-20 Gentoo decided to abandon eudev and a new project was
>>>> established on 2021-09-14 by Alpine, Devuan and Gentoo
>>>> contributors (alphabetical order).
>>>>
>>>> It seems to have a upstream that is active but no one is
>>>> maintaining it on Gentoo. Basically, it needs a Gentoo maintainer
>>>> now. It would seem given the time span that no one wants to take
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Like others, I use it but didn't know it wasn't maintained
>>>> anymore. I hope someone will step up but if not, looks like we have
>>>> to use udev.
>>>
>>> No, see the linked bugs. Someone has to actually make it compatible
>>> with the tags API which software is starting to use.
>>>
>> It seems there is work still ongoing to that end:
>> https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev/issues/249
>>
> That only adds a stub - which isn't guaranteed to work correctly.
But what that boils down to in practise if it actually turns out to be
true: user's might have to make a choice between installing some
application that uses a new API call not supported by eudev, or installing
eudev. I believe portage can handle that just fine, it regularly tells me
that there is some package or another that cannot be installed at the same
time as some other package. I'm sure I could go and find plenty of other
packages in the tree that can be last rites as well, if the inclusion
criteria for any given package is that it works with every other package
in the tree.
>> A quick look at the bug list in the original announcement today, they
>> appear to almost all be bugs for Gentoo maintainers to address rather
>> than upstream, and one or two it's questionable if they are actually
>> bugs.
>
> I've improved the mask message.
Yes that is an improvement.
>> I think it is a rather large stretch to claim that upstream is dead,
>> the evidence just doesn't show that.
>>
>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have they
>> disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for grabs.
>> Why
>> hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunteer as
>> maintainers rather than going straight tolast riting the package? Or
>> has that happened and I've missed it, in which case I apologise.
>
> There was a year ago or so and nothing really came out of it. But see
> above wrt 'tags'.
A year is a long time, there might well now be people willing to take over
maintaining it that were not willing to 1 year ago, if that is what is
required.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-11 22:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-11 15:14 [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:22 ` orbea
2023-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:42 ` orbea
2023-09-11 17:25 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-11 17:45 ` orbea
2023-09-11 19:20 ` Dale
2023-09-11 20:31 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:14 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:21 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:29 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:35 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:43 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:51 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-11 21:59 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:32 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:50 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:10 ` orbea
2023-09-11 22:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 2:34 ` orbea
2023-09-12 9:18 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 11:00 ` Alarig Le Lay
2023-09-14 0:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Madhu
2023-09-14 0:47 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 14:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 14:57 ` Mike Gilbert
2023-09-14 18:15 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-11 21:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 21:41 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:22 ` Eddie Chapman [this message]
2023-09-11 22:27 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 13:36 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 13:57 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 14:12 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 14:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 15:04 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 18:47 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 15:35 ` orbea
2023-09-12 17:23 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 17:36 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:06 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 19:32 ` orbea
2023-09-12 18:53 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 18:58 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 23:45 ` karl
2023-09-12 18:51 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 19:05 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-12 20:59 ` Dale
2023-09-12 20:37 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 14:55 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 19:21 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-12 19:47 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 20:33 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-12 21:23 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 21:36 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 21:45 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 21:52 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-13 4:35 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 4:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 5:03 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 5:38 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 6:13 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:19 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:40 ` Dale
2023-09-13 6:54 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 7:23 ` Dale
2023-09-12 22:35 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 7:55 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-13 8:10 ` Dale
2023-09-16 6:01 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-09-16 6:09 ` Sam James
2023-09-16 7:15 ` Dale
2023-09-13 8:13 ` Arve Barsnes
2023-09-13 23:49 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:16 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:44 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 15:30 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 16:09 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 16:50 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:18 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 18:39 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-14 19:11 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 17:39 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:52 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 23:19 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 15:10 ` orbea
2023-09-15 18:38 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-15 18:56 ` orbea
2023-09-15 22:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 22:40 ` orbea
2023-09-16 1:12 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-16 9:35 ` David Seifert
2023-09-16 13:32 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-16 22:03 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 9:00 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 10:16 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 17:56 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 18:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 17:20 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:28 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:51 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:19 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-14 17:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 2:55 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 9:05 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 9:34 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 9:43 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 21:57 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-12 14:31 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:20 ` Sam James
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-09-13 1:23 Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 1:48 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2021-11-27 0:23 [gentoo-dev] Last " Mike Gilbert
2022-08-30 9:52 ` Jaco Kroon
2022-08-30 10:27 ` Arve Barsnes
2022-08-30 12:26 ` Jaco Kroon
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