From: "Eddie Chapman" <eddie@ehuk.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 16:00:28 +0100 [thread overview]
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martin-kokos wrote:
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 at 3:36 PM, Eddie Chapman
> <eddie@ehuk.net> wrote:
>
>> Sam James wrote:
>>
>>> "Eddie Chapman" eddie@ehuk.net writes:
>>>
>>>>>> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers?
>>>>>> Have
>>>>>> they disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up
>>>>>> for grabs. Why hasn't there been a call to give others the
>>>>>> opportunity to volunteer as maintainers rather than going
>>>>>> straight to last riting the package? Or
>>>>>> has that happened and I've missed it, in which case I apologise.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a year ago or so and nothing really came out of it. But
>>>>> see above wrt 'tags'.
>>>>
>>>> A year is a long time, there might well now be people willing to
>>>> take over maintaining it that were not willing to 1 year ago, if
>>>> that is what is required.
>>>
>>> They have a month to step up anyway, although that will involve
>>> upstream activity too.
>>
>> I see there was already a change in the tree yesterday that assumes
>> sys-fs/eudev is going (commit d46677fd864b30315423c8364ca44db2de98e2a1,
>> sys-fs/mdadm/mdadm-4.2-r2, amd64 stable keyworded). Has this actually
>> been decided behind the scenes already? This starts to smell a little
>> ugly unless I've completely misunderstood something. I hope I'm wrong.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand: the Gentoo project page for eudev lists 4
>> members including the lead, and FWICT they are mostly still active in
>> other areas of Gentoo (recent commits to the tree in other packages).
>> The
>> project lead is also an original author of eudev. I find it hard to
>> believe that all 4 of these people have completely lost interest in
>> eudev in Gentoo. Have any of these 4 maintainers publicly said
>> (anywhere) that
>> they are not interested in being maintainers anymore (which is fine if
>> that is the case)? We're not talking here about a lone maintainer of
>> some peripheral package that's disappeared leaving an orphaned package.
>>
>> I'm an outsider to Gentoo development (just a heavy user for over a
>> decade both personally and professionally) so I might have missed
>> something. I just find it puzzling.
>
> I don't understand why there is need to go off of *hints and clues*
> whether its active development or whether the project maintainers want to
> maintain it or not. The project lead has explained the original reason for
> eudev being part of base and why that reason has passed. Issue decided 2
> years ago.
>
> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.htm
> l
>
> If there were maintainers to suport it for 2 extra years, that's very
> nice of them. Speculating, without them, after their decision to
> last-rite and asking to support eudev indefinitely, without giving any
> insightful reason as to why, seems ... not a great way to motivate
> someone to do something extra for me.
>
> Martin
>
Thank you Martin and Sam for pointing out to me the news item above from 2
years ago, which for some reason I missed originally, so I wasn't aware
this is how the people listed as current maintainers felt.
This seems like a crucial piece of information that was sadly omitted from
the original last rite message.
Maybe there is a lesson here somewhere about communication and last riting
of core system packages.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-12 15:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-11 15:14 [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:22 ` orbea
2023-09-11 15:29 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-11 15:42 ` orbea
2023-09-11 17:25 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-11 17:45 ` orbea
2023-09-11 19:20 ` Dale
2023-09-11 20:31 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:14 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:21 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:29 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:35 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:43 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-11 21:51 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-11 21:59 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 21:32 ` orbea
2023-09-11 21:50 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:10 ` orbea
2023-09-11 22:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 2:34 ` orbea
2023-09-12 9:18 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 11:00 ` Alarig Le Lay
2023-09-14 0:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Madhu
2023-09-14 0:47 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 14:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 14:57 ` Mike Gilbert
2023-09-14 18:15 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-11 21:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 21:41 ` Sam James
2023-09-11 22:22 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-11 22:27 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 13:36 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 13:57 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 14:12 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-12 14:17 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 15:04 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 18:47 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 15:35 ` orbea
2023-09-12 17:23 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 17:36 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:06 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 19:32 ` orbea
2023-09-12 18:53 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 18:58 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 23:45 ` karl
2023-09-12 18:51 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 19:05 ` orbea
2023-09-12 19:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-12 20:59 ` Dale
2023-09-12 20:37 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 14:55 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Sam James
2023-09-12 19:21 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2023-09-12 19:47 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 20:33 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-12 21:23 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-12 21:36 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-12 21:45 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-12 21:52 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-13 4:35 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 4:56 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 5:03 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 5:38 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 6:13 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:19 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 6:40 ` Dale
2023-09-13 6:54 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 7:23 ` Dale
2023-09-12 22:35 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 7:55 ` Andrew Ammerlaan
2023-09-13 8:10 ` Dale
2023-09-16 6:01 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-09-16 6:09 ` Sam James
2023-09-16 7:15 ` Dale
2023-09-13 8:13 ` Arve Barsnes
2023-09-13 23:49 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:16 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 14:44 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 15:30 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 16:09 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 16:50 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:18 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 18:39 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-14 19:11 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 17:39 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:52 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2023-09-14 23:19 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 15:10 ` orbea
2023-09-15 18:38 ` Alexey Sokolov
2023-09-15 18:56 ` orbea
2023-09-15 22:25 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-15 22:40 ` orbea
2023-09-16 1:12 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-16 9:35 ` David Seifert
2023-09-16 13:32 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-16 22:03 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 9:00 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 10:16 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-17 17:56 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-17 18:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-14 17:20 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:28 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-14 17:51 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-14 17:19 ` Matt Turner
2023-09-14 17:24 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 2:55 ` Eli Schwartz
2023-09-13 9:05 ` Eddie Chapman
2023-09-13 9:34 ` Alexe Stefan
2023-09-13 9:43 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 21:57 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-09-12 14:31 ` martin-kokos
2023-09-12 15:00 ` Eddie Chapman [this message]
2023-09-12 15:20 ` Sam James
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2023-09-13 1:23 Alex Boag-Munroe
2023-09-13 1:48 ` Alex Boag-Munroe
2021-11-27 0:23 [gentoo-dev] Last " Mike Gilbert
2022-08-30 9:52 ` Jaco Kroon
2022-08-30 10:27 ` Arve Barsnes
2022-08-30 12:26 ` Jaco Kroon
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