From: Bryan Gardiner <bog@khumba.net>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 11:01:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250312110115.52ef3783@khumba.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64ec26fc-4623-4018-91b1-36d0e3061b77@gentoo.org>
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 18:42:49 -0400
Eli Schwartz <eschwartz@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 3/10/25 4:53 PM, Maciej Barć wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> >> Although maybe it should be sci-ml.
> >
> > Let's _not_ use *-ml since for us ml stands for OCaml (which comes from
> > ML - "Meta langauge").
> >
> > sci-ai, dev-ai, and app-ai (say, "app-ai/ollama"?) are nice IMO.
>
>
> - please don't top-post
>
> - Let's _not_ use *-ai since AI stands for generative artificial
> intelligence which most of these packages are not, even according to
> the intended use of the *-ai term in this thread
>
> I don't understand your argument at all. "ml" is hardly a reserved
> concept, and dev-ml exists precisely for "libraries and utilities
> relevant to the ML programming language", which isn't going to get
> confused with sci-ml/ for the same reason nobody would dream of
> searching in sci-cpp/ for "scientific software written in C++", as the
> emphasis is on *science* and naturally brings the concept of machine
> learning to mind.
>
> I could argue that "AI" is too confusing of a term to use because it is
> the name of the pale-throated sloth (and because there are other
> abbreviations that are DEEPLY not on topic for this mailing list). But
> fortunately people possess the ability to recognize context, and will
> recognize that Gentoo packages are not talking about members of the
> animal kingdom. They will also recognize sci-machine-learning when they
> see it.
>
> Or, we could bite the bullet and stop clinging "short and witty two-word
> categories".
>
> Let's call it "sci-machine-learning/".
How about "sci-learn/"? Not too long, and too ambiguous.
> But obviously, whatever we call it shouldn't feel like deceptive
> trickery to the people ***using*** the packages from this proposed new
> category. So I oppose anything with the name "ai" in it, as it's way too
> specific, unless it is strictly limited to e.g. ollama, which isn't
> actually packaged in ::gentoo and isn't actually on topic as a result.
Cheers,
Bryan
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Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-10 20:40 [gentoo-dev] New category for AI related packages Alfredo Tupone
2025-03-10 20:49 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-03-10 20:53 ` Maciej Barć
2025-03-10 22:42 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-03-10 22:59 ` Maciej Barć
2025-03-11 6:44 ` Ulrich Müller
2025-03-12 20:57 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-03-12 18:01 ` Bryan Gardiner [this message]
2025-03-10 20:56 ` Filip Kobierski
2025-03-13 13:07 ` Arsen Arsenović
2025-03-14 12:22 ` Sam James
2025-03-14 15:08 ` Gordon Pettey
2025-03-16 12:16 ` Arsen Arsenović
2025-03-16 14:52 ` Jaco Kroon
2025-03-10 22:28 ` Ionen Wolkens
2025-03-12 7:47 ` Florian Schmaus
2025-03-12 20:13 ` Alfredo Tupone
2025-03-15 9:09 ` Petr Vaněk
2025-03-15 15:29 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2025-03-16 13:13 ` Ulrich Müller
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